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FC E-mails 259 - Stadium Special 23
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you think e-mail your views to info@bluekipper.com
We have had loads of e-mails regarding the stadium issue over the past week or so. We will get ALL your views on the site as soon as possible. The Blue Kipper Team. (27/07/07) No To Kirkby I'd follow the blues anywhere but it feels like were getting kicked out of the city, id be sick if we moved to Kirkby! No doubt the kopites will be made up. I think its a joke that they are even considering moving Everton football club outside our city boundaries. New stadium yes, kirkby no chance! Its really pissing me off lads. Jack From Croxteth "Onward Evertonians!". (31/07/07) Yes! The move to Kirkby MUST happen I
am shocked by the negativity that some of your correspondents have shown.
I also object to the implication by one of them that "passionate"
fans would not accept the move. I am as passionate now as I ever was about
this great club but things have to change. I will get far more frustrated
by seeing our transfer kitty slashed and the knowledge that we will not
be challenging for major honours in the immediate future than leaving
a ground that is falling to bits and difficult to get to. The Cost Of Kirkby The Kirkby move is pulling me all over the shop, but can I put one question to Bully Wyness? Probably one that hasn't been asked yet and one that the top brass were hoping wouldn't be asked. If, not when, the new stadium is built out of town, what will season ticket holders/match day ticket purchasers be charged for their new seats. It's usually the poor supporters that get stung to pay the ridiculous wages of players, extortionate price of a pie and a pint in the ground, even the price of the good old programme is nearly as much as a Harry Potter novel. So, come on Keith, give us a rough, off the top of your head, ball park figure for the privilege of a season ticket/match day ticket at the new place!! Eddieparkend. COYB. (31/07/07) The Leaving of Liverpool (Give me a break) Lets face it Goodison cannot be developed into a modern cash cow stadium. The footprint of the ground is too small, when Liverpool Council F.C., have devoured Stanley Park the already pathetic parking facilities will be depleted (unless blues fans would like to pay £10 a car to park in their car park). A 21st century stadium will have to incorporate shops bars and large corporate areas with car parking that benefits the club not the council. Getting a modern 50,000 plus seater for practically free is an opportunity that cannot be missed. All this city boundary stuff is shite. I was born a 'Blue' in Walton 49 years ago does that mean I'm not one because I moved to Knowsley? Everton left Anfield to move to Goodison should we go back there? History is something to be proud of, to look back on, not to live in. The Kings Dock site has come and gone, forget it, can anyone tell me how to cope with 50,000 extra bodies going into the town centre on a Saturday without creating chaos, get real. If we don't go to Kirkby we will have to settle for a dilapidated Goodison, what a sad situation to sit in a once proud stadium whilst the Shite look down on us from their lofty new stands only a couple of hundred yards away. Is that what we want. I will watch the 'Blues' wherever they play if it has an 'L' starting the postcode. This isn't an MK Dons scenario, some people have talked about the Speke site, that is miles further than Kirkby. This really is it, last chance saloon, the fat lady has a microphone in her hand, the sand is down to a few specks, it's now or never, stop dreaming about non existent billionaires with a passion for a club they know nothing about, but want to lavish money on, or it will be too late. As for the so called 'blue' who said he would support Tranmere if we moved, don't worry we could be playing them on a regular basis soon if this move is rejected. Jim 'once a blue always a BLUE' M. (31/07/07) Yes! Lets Do It Has anyone bothered to read the Mickey Blue Eyes 'Stadium Mania' parts one and especially 2? Please take the time to read the very detailed and informative article that describes the problems of the Goodison site and issues preventing redevelopment. Redeveloping Goodison is not viable and once the fan on the street realises this FACT then the debate can move forward. So we need to move but have 2 problems, finding a site and finding some money. We could keep banging our heads against the council doors to get a suitable site but even if they suddenly decide to help as opposed to hinder, it is not likely that they will give us a site for free. We would need money to buy the site and build a stadium without getting into debt up to our eyeballs. If anyone can suggest how we do that then I, the board and the fans would be all ears. Holding out for some Russian or yank to sweep us off our feet is naive and goes against the notion of trying to keep the club controlled by true blues. We are not a rich club and a vote to stay at Goodison is a sentimental vote for the past that could have seriously bad repercussions for Everton's future. Please, please get over the city boundary issue. If we were in a seriously different position financially then we might have alternatives to Kirkby but we are NOT and we do NOT. It is a great opportunity that won't come round again and I don't think Everton should pass it up. Quite frankly if the vote is a no then I fear for the competitive future of the club. What is worse, becoming the redshite's uncompetitive lap dogs, staring at their monstrosity as Goodison crumbles or winning derbies and playing in Europe and putting up with some crap chants now and again? A few names never hurt anyone but being better than the shite is what it is all about, we can't do that in the future without moving and this is our chance. Lets do it. Charlie Isaac. (31/07/07) No To Move IMAGINE "The new stadium has been built and everyone walking to the ground for the first game there, atmosphere seems good until you get bumped into by a fucking trolly. And then getting into the ground and seeing the stewards with 'happy to help' on their coats" Lets keep that as an imagination and vote no to move. Lets not give the satisfaction to the Red shite and the City council who all want it to be one club in the city. Steve Fennal. (31/07/07) Timing Is Wrong In my View the timing is completely wrong for us to consider a new stadium . I feel for the first time in 20 years we have a team capable of staying in the top five and winning a trophy or two. At this moment we need every penny financing the Team lets have 5 years of consistent european competition ,win some cups and challenge for the league. If we can do this which is most certainly achievable this in turn will provide the financial security we need to fund our own new stadium or rebuild of Goodison. Goodison became one the best stadiums in the country through continued renovation coinciding with success on the pitch. A great team can build a great stadium, A great stadium doesn't make a great team. Craig Plant. Stafford Blue. (31/07/07) There has to be a BETTER alternative! The pics looks great in the dark, like most ugly birds do!!!!!! Seriously, it's a Sows ear! I know we must move, BUT, you NEVER take the first thing that comes your way. Patience is so important, we must stand on our digs , at least for a bit longer, and we’ll see the opportunities come from other areas. "Lower" clubs have got investment but we are a BIG club, and we look like we will take the first thing that's offered. Jeeezzz Think!!The people of Liverpool, including the rs want EFC to stay in Liverpool for the better of the city. Local BLUES have got to force the issue with the LCC ....OK it would be nice for the RS to have the place to their own but Merseyside isn’t that simple. You take EFC out and the city will lose more than it thinks. John Kelly. (31/07/07) Reality Check For all the millions and millions of Evertonians living within the city. The next poll on bluekipper should be do you live in the city or not. Ridiculous suggestions that 90% of Evertonians actually live within the city boundaries make me laugh (match going Evertonians anyway) Huyton, Kirkby, Halewood, Runcorn, Warrington, Widnes, Bootle, Chester to mention a few are infested with us. It doesn't stop us or are kids loving the blues in equal measures as hating the shite, why would it stop your offspring? Even with a massive percentage of us 'Outsiders' topping the numbers up on matchday's, our average attendance is still just over 30.000. So forget the LCC doesn't care, how many city dwellers actually care as much for getting to the match as you do about us moving out of the city? Forget where we are, Forget who's in charge, Forget what the bloody score is, Forget what the gobshites have to say, Forget all this squabbling between ourselves and remember who we are? We are the chosen ones we are the ones who can really make a difference for the team we love. We may only have 3 years left at the old girl and we should be showing everybody why we love her so much. We need to turn up this season, week in and week out, Good or bad and we need to make a noise that Goodison has never heard. Not just against The Shite and the Mancs but 19 teams for 90 minutes. In short Vote however you feel, you all deserve your say but don't turn against each other or bring the gloom to the players doors come matchday because it wont solve anything. This is the best team of players we have had in years (if not squad) and they deserve our support. Lets stop banging on about the atmospheres of games in the past and lets start making new memories this season. Darren. (31/07/07) Yes To Kirkby Once
again I will reiterate, for the hard of thinking, what I have already
said ref the New Stadium ( And after seeing the plans looks good to me
) All the people against the move to Kirkby are either lazy or thick.
For crying out loud at the moment its the best deal for the club and until
something better comes along, ( which better be damn quick ) we must have
a yes vote. If the fans aren't careful we are going to screw it up big
style. Progress is human nature otherwise we'd all be living in caves
and throwing shit at each other, or RS fans as there better known. Yes To New Ground With Serious Financial Backing I
think its about time people woke up and realised we can't regenerate Goodison
its just not viable. People think we will be playing in front of a half
empty new stadium yet that's what Goodison would be while building work
was in progress and as a result there would be the inevitable decrease
in revenue (less support understand!). Using the £50 million Premiership
money? Yes we could and watch the team fall even further behind the likes
of Bolton and Portsmouth! Wyness Interview I
respect your intellect and your opinions but my impression of the interview
was a cosy chat as a
PR exercise for Mr Bill Kenwright. I don't doubt the financial factors.
What I do question is the manner in which it has been presented as this
is the deal, take it or if you don't you (the supporters) are to blame
for preventing the club from moving forward. Mr Kenwright owns the club
and in consequence it his to do as he wants. He took the financial risk
and has worked hard to secure the club as his. Why should he dilute his
investment or life style as a premier club owner/chairman by introducing
a co-owner/partner. The move to Kirkby is a tremendous piece of business
for the owner. Low or even nil financial risk and a much increased financial
asset. No To Kirkby I
have spoken to liverpool supporters, they are simply laughing at us, (how
good would it be if liverpool fc elected to leave Liverpool our city)! Boundaries To every person who wants to stay inside the boundaries I promise we won't fall off the world its round you know. Robbie Quinn. (31/07/07) Personally one of the main things this whole "debate" has highlighted has been the inherent stupidity of vast swathes of our support, yes I'm thinking of people such as you Tony Streetender, buffoons such as this and others, i heard another blue on national radio saying we could redevelop two sides of Goodison "in weeks", frankly make me wish the club would be proactive, get on with it and state categorically what they doing. Come with us if you so desire, if not so be it. Remember football fans are strange bunch, remember when everyone wanted Peter Johnson's head on a platter? Then suddenly twenty million was found for players and everyone shut the fuck up!!! If we continued to make strides on the pitch when we moved much of the dissent would fade, I guarantee. However this does not mean that the issue has not been mishandled; Everton have backed themselves into a corner immediately by making the issue strictly a YES or NOthing question, therefore leaving fans feeling they have no alternative and breeding cynicism that they may force it through anyway, coupled with, for many, the ire inducing unbreakable association with Tesco and therefore the Kirby site itself, as its pretty clear that they are only interested in coming with us, or us them, if its there. Finally I'm beginning to get vote fatigue, as this is the third time we have take such a vote, and the common consensus has been, and generally amongst fans is to move, whatever, wherever the option. When the question of moving was first raised i was in my TEENS. I am now approaching, i stress approaching, MIDDLE AGE!!! Would we really be discussing revenue streams (of which the vast majority of us have no actual idea what the fuck were talking about) and the very real fact of not enough cash or players if we'd actually just got on with it?The overwhelmingly obvious fact is that if you move, you then generate more cash, and stand a better chance, and no more than that, of progress. If it doesn't work that way then that is not solely down to the stadium as some crassly like to point out, whoever you are please abstain, its generally down to mismanagement at board level,buying the wrong, or shit players. Look at Pearce at City, Bryan Robson at Boro, ultimately Reid and the rest at Sunderland. Bolton moved and prospered, the key was Big Sam. Tradition and history count for nothing if that is all you are left with, as my dad is fond of telling me Burnley were a massive team in the sixties, the issue for me has been fudged and just ballsed up too long, we are literally hanging on to others by the skin of our teeth due to the clubs incompetence and prevarication stretching back over a decade, and the fact that we have a manager who has shook the club out of coma it was in. However if the club continues things in the boneheaded way it does then i cant see a satisfactory resolution soon. However Tony remember this move isn't about me or you, its about the welfare of the club, its standing status and position when were dust. The Badger. (31/07/07) Bradley Makes My Mind Up - Kirkby Yes The fxxxxxxx gawl of Warren Bradley is fxxxx ing incredible. The jumped up little political shiester hasd the cheek to refer to Kirkby " as a small town outside of Liverpool" ( ok technically speaking it may be outside ) If your from Kirkby your not a proper scouser. Who the fuck does he think he is ? I think peter reid may wish to have word with Wazzer and point out to him in no uncertain terms that as far as the people of kirkby / huyton and Halewood are concerned when asked where are you from ? we say Liverpool. Warren Bradley implies that Kenwright has no backbone because he hasn't sold out to a rich investor ? Who is this investor Warren who is this mysterious benefactor who wants to invest in us ? Now bear in mind Warren has a history of " not noticing things " things that are blindingly obvious. Yet he now seems to be hallucinating billionaires.Who didn't have the backbone to tell the shite to do one when they want to build on one of the only green spaces in goodison area ? The council Who walks round like Mr Magoo ? Warren Bradley . Whats the link with the above ? WARREN BRADLEY He then says the ground will look like a "shed" and he can be silent no longer! Fuckin Rumplestiltskin showed more awareness.That's my mind mind made up VOTE YES TO kIRKBY AND FUCK BRADLEY AND ALL THE OTHER SPINELESS BASTARDS ON THE COUNCIL WHO'S ONLY INTEREST IS IN GETTING EFC TO FINANCE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF PARTS OF THE CITY THAT THEY CANT AFFORD OR DONT WANT TO. Please can we ban Mr Magoo from Goodison forthwith so he can go and watch the club that deserves him........... you know who. Maybe bluekipper could commission some special Warren Bradley style Mr Magoo gigs / mask for people to wear pre - season. If you wear it you may see Bill Gates in the main stand. Be careful out there. Kevin Byrne - from Huyton That's ( " just out side Warren " ) Liverpool. (29/07/07) Yes To Kirkby We have to move. The only achievable option is Kirkby, which is only 4 miles away...hardly the other side of the globe..and has a Liverpool postcode. Goodison cannot be redeveloped due to planning regulations, and if we stay, just imagine how smug the kopites will be when their new stadium casts a large shadow over our crumbling home. I honestly can't see what all the whining is about, are people really so backwards about moving into the future and moving to a stadium that will enable us to generate more cash for the team? The issue of moving across a political boundary drawn on some piece of paper by a town planner/councillor really is a weak argument. These boundaries could change any time, as they have done in the past! We simply haven't progressed since the 80's, and very soon it really will be too late to keep up with the rest of the Premiership. Lets stop this backwards mentality and all look forward to having a successful team in a new, modern, accessible stadium! Shaun McAleer. (29/07/07) Stay At Goodison I want Everton fc to stay because I will have to travel all the way down to kirkby all the time and I live in Litherland. I have a season ticket and if Everton are building a new stadium I want my seat. I'm not happy and I hope you take this forward you may not so good luck blue boys. Thanks. Most of the people in my class are red ****** and are skitting me. Thank god I'm going to high school because i've had enough! LOL!. Nicole hughes. Age:10. (29/07/07) Stay In The City Everton Football Club Should remain with its very loyal fans in Liverpool city. It should not be built in a town outside the city away from supporters. Joyce Collings. (29/07/07) I'm dead against Everton fc moving to Kirkby. Not because its outside the city limits, but simply because its not where were from. Liverpool get Stanley Park, so why don't the city council bite the bullet and give Everton the other half of the park, and have the two stadiums on the one patch of land. After all, if local people (of which i am one) want to use a park, Walton hall park is 3/4 mile away. The roads leading to and from stanley park are very adequate as liverpool fc will tell you. There's plenty of room for parking on the remaining land in the park. Remember this park is very big and could also house a club superstore, restaurants, pubs, shops etc. And Liverpool city council could also give the blues the same benefits they have given liverpool fc when building their stadium. As i see it, this would be great for the city to have the two clubs so close, as they have always been. And maybe bring the supporters of the two clubs together again. The only other option i can see, is to redevelop Goodison. I personally would not go to Kirkby, speke, or even long lane industrial estate to watch Everton. I'm a blue of some 38 years. Everton are the elder statesman of this city. We brought football to the city. We belong here. This is our home. Walton, Liverpool 4. The area has suffered enough without ripping the heart out of it. You take the blues out of the area, Walton will die! Tony the Streetender. (29/07/07) New Stadium Effect With regard to the table which followed your gentle questioning of Keith Wyness, statistics can be misleading. None of the new stadia quoted in the table involved a move out of the home town or city or away from a traditional relationship with close rivals. You should try comparing the 'incremental growth of old stadium effect', starting with Newcastle United and Manchester United. As an example, NUFC have more than doubled their attendances since the early nineties [despite conspicuous lack of success on the field] simply by sound business development and incremental ground development [they were in a much much worse position then than the Blues are now, but were persuaded by supporters and the City Council not to take the 'easy' option of moving to Gateshead]. Trevor Skempton. (29/07/07) Kirkby Is The Only Viable Option I
have been reading the for and against to the proposed move to Kirkby.
And what i find quite strange is the amount of so called Evertonians worrying
about what the shower across the road will say. Correct me if I'm wrong
but don't we have a song where we chant `WE DON'T CARE WHAT THE RED SHITE
SAY WHAT THE FUCK DO WE CARE'. So what if we move to Kirkby we are EVERTON
FOOTBALL CLUB not The City of Liverpool Everton Football Club. We try
so hard as fans to disassociate ourselves with anything to do with the
name Liverpool our scarf's say EVERTON the pride of Merseyside not Everton
football club the pride of the city of liverpool. There was uproar last
season when it was suggested that Everton football club would have the
capital of culture logo on our shirts for 2008, we said we wouldn't have
a liverbird on our kit, the same liverbird that the shower of shite wear
and the same liverbird that Liverpool city Council use in there logo.
There are only two things that associate Everton Football Club to the
city of Liverpool our post code and our telephone number the two same
things we will have in Kirkby a liverpool post code and a 0151 telephone
number. Yes But Only If We Can't Have One In The City I don't know how many people actually read these post's or who actually reads them, but hopefully my thought's are either voiced or heard. I live in Knowsley, so in a selfish kind of way, it would be much easier for me to get to Kirkby than Goodison Park. But I am against the move to Kirkby in a way. I agree, we need to move, I don't think there is much of a question about that. The ground is old, and to redevelop it we would lose a lot of revenue in terms of losing capacity with having to knock down stands and rebuild them and it would also take a lot longer. But I would love to stay in the city. When we get these ballot papers, will they have two choices or three. Stay at Goodison, move to Kirkby, or find another site within the city boundaries. Because I believe that would certainly give the hierarchy a clear indication of what everyone wants. If it is just two choices, Goodison or Kirkby, which I think Everton will do to try and force the Kirkby issue, then I don't think we really have an option, we need a new ground so it would have to be Kirkby. But please give us the option. As I have said, we need a new ground, but lets find somewhere in the city. Tony Burke. Prescot. (29/07/07) Football Should Stay With Football Why oh why is a church in Kirkby 'throwing its doors open' to allow residents the opportunity to have a say on the proposed Everton ground move. Why does the church have to have a take on this one, can't it keep its insidious noses out of football matters given the trouble that religion causes wherever it goes. This is one issue it can keep away from thank you very much. Colin Kirby. (29/07/07) Vote Yes Despite everything that Is said I simply think a move to the Prospective Stadium at Kirkby Is vital. It really would push our great Club forward on and off the pitch so I Implore all who are legible to have a vote please say yes. Thank you. Justin. (29/07/07) The Loop is the 'BestWay' The Loop site is without doubt the best site for Everton's new stadium. If the board fail on this, they will all be accountable for committing the travesty of moving a Great City Club to a site beyond the city's suburbs. Its an open goal. The work has been done in so far as the site owners, Bestway, wish to develop this unique location into a football stadium. The geographic scale of the land site for both a stadium and a handful of peripheral commercial buildings is ideal. Most importantly the board can make us be proud of our home - this location the stadium will be seen as iconic. It's unbeatable position within the city will give Everton the kudos the club needs to stay credible. We can really sell ourselves in the future as the team at the heartbeat of the city to both commercial prospects, matchday corporate sponsors, corporate season ticket holders and players considering joining the club. We will retain 100% of the indigenous fanbase so there will be no risk of pockets of empty seats. This a is a real destination. The marketing people at the club, if they so wish, will be able to play off the Peoples Club mantra (which I personally think is already over-used) and we Evertonians will feel we have a stake in a stadium that operates on the doorstep of the people that love the club so dearly. The site has a soul. Charlie, London. (29/07/07) Delay The Vote - More Facts Needed As
a lifelong Evertonian I would like us to lobby Keith Wyness to delay the
vote until all the facts are presented. Clearly Warren Bradley believes
[as i do ] that their are other options available which would be preferable
to moving to Kirkby. Surely with a history exceeding 100yrs we should
be allowed more time to decide on a vote that will determine the next
100yrs!! this would allow all the facts to be presented. If Keith Wyness
refuses this request then I would question his "desire to do whats
best for Everton Football Club" STOP THE VOTE LETS HEAR THE FACTS
FIRST. Developing Goodison No - Kirkby Yes I can't believe the amount of Evertonians who are displaying a complete ignorance of the facts and living in a dream world. The facts are we are not rich, we do not have 100s of millions just lying around to build a new stadium, and even i can see that THERE IS NO WAY IN A MILLION YEARS THAT GOODISON COULD POSSIBLY BE REDEVELOPED. The cost of redeveloping Goodison would far outweigh the cost of a new stadium, even if we we were paying for the full cost of a new stadium, which we are not! And where do all you who believe we should redevelop Goodison think the room is to do it? On 3 sides of the stadium there is none whatsoever, on the other is a little bit of room, but how many seats could we get there, another 2000 maybe? Even just doing that would probably cost more than we are going to pay for this new stadium in Kirkby. Add to that the fact we'd still be paying each year to maintain Goodison to safety standards, the ground is old and to stay there would replacing the whole thing eventually. I really don't know how people imagine this being possible, because i just don't see how it could be done. This IS a great deal we are getting, whichever way you look at it. If Kirkby was just inside Liverpool, as it was not so long ago, people wouldn't care less about another 10 or 15 mins drive, so why now? Everton fans should do the sensible thing, and SUPPORT club, as they are with us by giving us the opportunity to decide its future. Phil B. (29/07/07) Keith Wyness Interview Just read the interview, made for interesting reading! I do however stick with the view that we should NOT go to Kirkby. I took note of the facts you printed below the interview that stated the rise in average attendances of clubs who, within the last decade have rehoused into new stadia. I accept it shows favourably that there is no 'new stadium syndrome' and that these clubs have seen their rise in attendances stay consistent. However, with the exception of Manchester City, the clubs you mention all had small grounds that could not cope with their large fanbase. Take Southampton, a substantial sized city with only one professional team needed a bigger stadium. The Dell only had a capacity of 20k with the clubs fanbase demanding 30-35k. The other clubs, including Leicester, Bolton, Boro', Sunderland and Coventry all had the same problem - their fanbase outweighed their original ground's capacity. If Everton have a good season, we average 36k-38k, it's only the games against Man U and the Shite that sell-out so at the minute, our fanbase does not dictate that we need to move to a bigger stadium, especially outside of the city boundary. The
other thing which i don't agree with what Mr Wyness said is that if we
move to Kirkby we would increase our fanbase with people living in the
I believe we need to move away from Goodison eventually but not to Kirkby, we should fight to relocate to another area in the city. If we do go to Kirkby though i don't agree with this bullshit that we don't go and watch our team. Regardless of what happens Everton is my club, Everton are in my heart and in my soul and even if we played on the moon, i would still support my beloved blues!! NSNO, COYB! Warren. (29/07/07) No To Kirkby Unless You Fill The Corners In Well were do I start. We are a laughing stock. What a mickey mouse stadium. We've been badly run for years and years. Lesser teams and clubs forging ahead. I've seen Portsmouth's new plans, which make ours look like a subbuteo stadium. We should either be given a ground were we can say wow, what a stadium. This one looks average, the new stadium is to hold 50,000. Goodison holds 40000. Why not knock down the park end which I always thought was a temporary stand and build an end like the holte end at villa. That would increase the ground to 50,000 plus. Build an underground car park for players to arrive, than when the new massive park ends built, start to redevelop the rest of Goodison. Fans who use cars could park on the new car park on stanley park used for the new anfield. I say NO to kirkby, unless its a better stadium shown, fill in the corners. I still prefer to stay. Central dock would of been a better option. I want to be able to walk into town after the match. Everton's potential is massive. I wonder why some multi millionaire hasn't seen our great club for what it can be. Someone hasn't done a very good job of selling the club, Kenwright lovely man, great fan, lousy chairman. Frustrated blue. Billy from Eastham. (29/07/07) Dad Says Yes I Say No I’m out in Australia at the mo, but I was speaking to me dad the other day who has been a season ticket holder all his life, and he is all for the move regardless of the destination being Kirkby. At the end of the day, we’ll be getting a brand new stadium at least half the price, which is only 4 miles away from Goodison. In theory wots the problem?? Yes I understand that Kirkby is outside the city boundaries, but wasn’t Goodison when she was built!! And does anyone really believe that people from Kirkby aren’t real scousers, wot about Bootle or Huyton aren’t people living there real scousers cos they are outside the city boundaries?? However I do believe that the majority of Evertonian’s are against the move, so if the board goes through with it, I reckon it will alienate the majority of our fan base, which will start to slowly erode, so are we really ‘The Peoples Club’?? Personally as well I can’t help feeling that we are giving them redshite bastards the city!! Neil ‘Pazza’ Parry. (Exiled Blue in Australia). (29/07/07) Yes To Kirkby I'm all for the new ground move, Goodison is an outdated stadium, with increasing health and safety demands being introduced do u really want us going begging too the red shite, in a few years too play some games there as are ground has been closed down, who cares if it's in Kirkby, shit I thought kirKby was in Liverpool. They all speak like us there don't they? Those folk who want us too stay at Goodison are holding us back from becoming a FORCE again. Let the smaller clubs spend spend spend, there all another Leeds waiting too happen. You can spend all the money you like if it ain't on the right players then you've wasted your time. In terms of our current squad are first 11 is as good as any team in the prem, have u all forgot last seasons results, with the exception of the manc game when neville switched sides at half time too help little alex out we had them beaten.you know there's a song we all sing as blue an it goes 'an if u know your history, it's enough too make ur arse go woo ooh??/, i thought that line was a dig at the red shite who live on past glories whilst us blues look too the future. Back the BOARD, they have the best interests at heart of the club, my only real concern is the name of the ground, but i have faith that terry leehay(tesco CE) a blue will be aware of this and won't wish too cause any embarrassment too the club he supports. Mike Moore. (29/07/07) Attendance Regarding your interview with Keith Wyness and talking about attendance figures when clubs move to a new ground,of course attendances will go up as all the clubs you have used,their capacity has risen in every one. Eg, Southampton's Dell could not hold 30,000 as St Mary's can, Roker Park couldn't hold 45,000 as the Stadium of Light can,etc etc... What you should of done was compared attendance to capacity in a clubs old ground and new ground which would have given a better example. Cheers! Mr N.Price. (29/07/07) Keith Wyness Interview Good interview and some very good questions and answers. Just one small point in appendix (B) Between 1984 and 1987 we had 1 FA Cup(84) and 2 Cup Finals (Man U (85)& Liverpool (86) not one. Bill Davies. (29/07/07) FA Cup Tour Never mind all the questions of re-location, stadium plans, money and so on, if we win the FA Cup in 2011, where the fuck will the bus go? Eddie Bramhill. (29/07/07) Boundaries Mean Nothing I can't understand what all the moanings about, Kirkby's 4 miles away from Goodison for fucks sake. Every single person in kirkby is a scouser. Kirkby is in Liverpool, who cares if its not under the city boundaries? I bet you'd never get a kopshite sayin there beloved stevie g larr's not a scouser, he's from Huyton, also under knowsley council! its about time we all pack in crying and think about whats best for Everton. Forget about all those who are jumping on the band wagon and making out Kirkby's the other side of the world. Who's to say in the next few years the boundaries aren't gonna change again! Liam. (29/07/07) Heart Or Head I want to stay at Goodison, I remember my Dad taking me for the first time when I was 8 and then taking my son for the first time when he was 9. However if we get a 55,000 seat stadium with no debt going forward, it is just pure sense and will lead to more transfer funds being available year on year into the future. Therefore it is such a compelling argument it is pretty much a no-brainer. I only wish that they could have found a location was within the City, oh for Kings Dock now. However I have learnt in life that it is impossible to have your cake and eat it in the real world. The worry for me is the fact that the majority of other stadiums that have been built or are being planned are due to a major injection of investment funding from new owners or investors. Ours isn’t, No new investment, The same board. Without the American Billionaire or rich Arab we have to proceed carefully and slowly, the board are doing just that to the frustration of many. They have done an excellent job of brining us back from the brink of extinction created by Hamperman, Without the calm considered approach taken we could be in exactly the same state as Leeds United right now, Yes think back 2002/3 New Board, New Manager 7th in the League, Leeds 15th, then the Honeymoon was over, injuries a small and ageing squad and at the end of the 2003/4 Season Everton missed the drop by one place and 6 points, Leeds went down despite the Millions they had spent in the previous 2 years. It was only the change in the board and bringing on Davey Moyes that stopped those positions being reversed if truth be told. Bill has always said that he would welcome new investment but we continue to see very little activity in that area and that is my major gripe with the club, it is a well run club financially, our debts are decreasing and anybody looking at our books should be impressed. However if we are going to truly move forward then now is the time to start talking about and attracting new investors, we are a bargain when you think about it, if we go with the proposed ground plan we won’t have massive debts to pay off, we will have a youthful squad showing great promise and one of the top managers in the Premiership and one of the best Brands. If the likes of Southampton are looking to attract some major investors why aren’t we? Regards The Caveman. Paul Cave – exiled in Hampshire. (27/07/07) Yes To Kirkby For
the benefit of the KEIOC supporters I would like to give my slant on the
advantages of a ground move under the present financial terms being offered.
Of all the teams presently enjoying the cash injections of their benefactors,
how many of them will deliver on the silverware/euro qualification demanded
by their benefactors,and at what price? Man U top the league with over
£700 million, Liverpool and Arsenal over £300 million debts,
followed by Spurs, West Ham, even the smaller clubs like Wigan, Sunderland
and Derby are trying to buy anything that moves to stave off relegation!!
At what cost? No To Kirkby I
have been going to goodison since 1962 and for me this is not about should
we leave goodison,its about should we stay in the city of liverpool. I
could not imagine Arsenal moving out of north london or west ham moving
out of the east end ,it is who they are, it is about identity. Forget
them that live on the dark side, that are followed by marauding glory
hunting vikings and celts. we are from liverpool and so are the majority
of our fans. Bill Kenwright does not own Everton football club he is a
custodian of this great institution, Everton is owned by the people of
liverpool. they are the people who have made Everton what it is, not anyone
person. I must admit
I am still unsure about the move. I have read all the mails and tried
to understand everyone's view and i can sympathise with the KEIOC camp
but as someone who is a bean counter by trade I have to probably fall
on the side of a move, to Kirkby or elsewhere in the local region. What Do You Think? Have your say! e-mail info@bluekipper.com e-mails index New Stadium - The Fans Views |