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All Votes Must Be Cast By Noon Thursday 23rd August 2007 Vote Yes 4 pints before the game - £10 Business Is Business Just a thought for the doubters that I don't think anyone has touched on. The vote goes No. Bill takes it as a vote of no confidence and sells to a speculator. The Tesco deal is still on the table, a quick handshake, no ballot, business is business! The speculator then sells on... a new ground no debt, very attractive... Won't happen? Alan Wynne Stick Together After casting my yes vote to the Kirkby move I got to thinking about the possible ramifications from the people who vote no. We can not allow this to split our club we must stick together and if its a yes vote take it on the chin move with us and support the boys, we can not afford to lose supporters due to stubbornness. If its a no vote all the yes voters aren't going to say well we're not going to Goodison anymore are they. I along with many other people have read the various correspondences of people who have said they won't go to Kirkby if the move goes ahead. Just think about what your saying, we live in a democracy and if it's a yes or no we must, even if we don't agree with it, go with the majority. So please vote no if you think that strongly about it but don,t abandon the team we need all the support we can get. Kevin Jones. (19/08/07) Vote Yes! We're A Club Not A Stadium This
is a very emotive decision for many of us but I for one suggest that moving
to Kirkby is the right thing to do. Time is an important factor. A MBE All my thoughts on the new stadium have been eloquently put forward by Mickey. Cheers, Dick. (19/08/07) No To Kirkby No
to Kirkby Football Club. No to Tesco and No to sitting Kirkby Football
Club (KFC) on an old rubbish tip where Phil Thompson once stood. It Must Be Yes I
started watching the Blues 45 years ago when I was 7 and I haven’t missed
many home games since then. My father and grandfather both stood on the
terraces before me . To leave Goodison fills me with sadness but I do
believe it is the best way forward for us now. We have to move to a new
stadium or we will be irrevocably left behind by other clubs with modern
stadia and greater capacity and therefore greater revenue. To vote to
stay is a vote to hope that like Mr Micawber “something will turn up “
because it is clear we cannot afford to redevelop Goodison or build on
another site in Liverpool . To do so would involve huge borrowing which
would be a long lasting financial mill stone around the clubs neck and
that is assuming anybody would lend us the money !. The deal with Tesco
gives us a chance that probably will not come again Switch island anyone? What's
that ? A big , yes please ? Come on boys, For f#cks sake. Switch island
is in Sefton. That's right , just down the road from where " Cara
" was born. But yes, most blues seem keen cos it's not Kirkby, where
Stubbs, Baines and I were all born. Lets get one thing straight, i will
be voting NO. Not because it's a few miles up the road but cos i think
it's gonna look like The reebok or the riverside but with a shitta name.
All this " we will lose future generations of fans" stuff is
all bollox too. That is unless your gonna let your lads, girls and grandchildren
move over to the darkside just cos you can't be ars'ed to jump a bus or
train. My nan was blue and lived in Kirkby all her life. She wouldn't
let me in the house till i declared by undying support for Everton. I
WAS ONLY 3 YERAS OLD !!!!!! Fact is we will probably make ourselves MORE
accessible to fans through better transport and parking etc. YES YOU GUESSED
IT . A BIG BUT ! Official Site Pettiness Just read the entry on our new signing, seemingly he's from Kirkby in Liverpool!!!!!!!! I'm not opposed to the move but aren't we a little too grown up for some of this propoganda? Great site - keep up the good work. Culls. (19/08/07) Will The Stadium Be Too Small? I had a thought this morning whilst perusing the propaganda leaflet that accompanied my stadium move voting slip. The booklet says that the increased ground size would be a great revenue to the club as we could have a bigger attendance meaning more funds for transfer. Well that’s great. To moving to a new ‘state-of-the-art’ stadium, with all the mod-cons. Great. The obvious problem people have is that it’s out of the city. I’m against the idea of moving out of the city and will be voting against it no doubt. But whilst looking over this I thought to my self – Why should we move from our home, our heritage, our history – Goodison Park - a 40,500 (ish) seater stadium with the oldest and best atmosphere in the world? Move away from here to increase the size to just 50,000? With the measly expansion potential of an extra 10k to 60,000??? It just seems stupid. Move to a 50,000 seater stadium by all means, but make sure it has the potential to increase in size by at least 20 or 30 thousand seats, or will we be moving again in another 100 years and have all the same problems? We will be constantly ‘left behind’ if we build a stadium with, lets face it, an insulting expansion capacity. At least the KEIOC idea of re-building Goodison had the future stadium potential at realistic numbers. If we want to move forward we need to accommodate and attract new supporters, both corporate and terraced. The only way we can do that is by making sure the stadium can hold the new fans. I’m not saying we need a 100 thousand seater stadium or anything like that, but with attendances constantly increasing we need the option to expand to be there for years to come. To expand a number of times, by a few thousand each time. Potential expansion to anything up to 80 thousand should be our aim. Not just for football but for concerts and other sporting events. The world and European cups. Anything where we can put our name forward to host a major event. Moyes says in the brochure that we shouldn’t be second best anymore, if we move we wont be second best – we wont be anything best cos we will be the only club for miles! Who will the derby be against? OK so it’ll still be the shite but it wont be the same. 1 city, 1 club. That’s how it’ll end up. The kopites will be made up, we’ll move to a new stadium but it’ll still be a lot smaller, it’ll also be out of site and out of the city! What a joke. It’s our club. We should get what the club deserves. A real stadium in a real location with real investment for the future. Not a new stadium that will be smaller than the rest of the country in 40 years, a club that’s lost it’s roots and lost it’s city. If we move we need a real ground with a real thought for the future. Something we can be proud of instead of just looking pretty! We are the greatest club on earth and we should act like it. COYB. Dowelly. (19/08/07) Are you telling me kirkby isn't liverpool when childwall, mossley hill and woolton is ? if we don't take this opportunity do you really think we,ll get a stadium in scotty road or the city centre ? i don't remember anyone kicking off when we looking at sites in speke! why would kenwright,who's put a lot more personally into our club than a lot of his critics, recommend it , if it didn't stack up? if it doesn't happen now we,ll be ground sharing with marine! Eddie Harvey. (19/08/07) A Reluctant Yes Just read Ian Macdonald's piece, thought it was a good passionate read but not sure I agree with all of his points. Firstly don't trust Lcc or Warren Bradley at all and where have they been. Why are they acting now when a realistic option is brought by Everton, are they acting now because they love Everton or is there a real danger them losing one of their cash cows, has it suddenly dawned on them that the money Everton bring to the city is now under threat. Also look there track record for delivering promises look at all the plans for capital of culture how many are still going ahead. If the kirkby vote is a NO I wonder with the threat gone would their interest will also diminish and they go back to fucking up the capital of culture. We go on the back burner and are left in no mans land again with no options. There was also a article in the daily post today highlighting opposition the loop would face, This seems like a something they have just thrown together at the last minute without going in to much detail. Kirkby IS NOT my first choice for a ground location but I will reluctantly vote yes as I believe it is the only realistic option and nothing I have seen, read or heard has convinced me other wise. Colin R. (19/08/07) The Vote What really annoys me is that we haven't had that much time to really think about things. I'm looking at my ballot paper now and I can't make my mind up either way. If we vote no, then the Tesco tie up will disappear to be, perhaps, replaced by the fantasies of KEIOC and Warren Bradley/Bestway. What I need is more time, perhaps three or four months, to see whether KEIOC and other proposals are merely romantic dreams or whether they have any substance. Maybe the whole point of having the ballot now is so we can't really make any informed decision. One way of getting more time would be for everyone to cast a blank vote, that way Everton could still have the option open for Kirkby and we all would have time to consider the other options whilst a second ballot was organised. Of course, now I am dreaming myself. Jill Doyle. (19/08/07) Bestway - No Chance In
respect of the 'Bestway' suggestion, there is no way on earth that Grosvenor,
who are investing £1bn on Europe’s biggest retail scheme in the
heart of the city, would stand back and let the City Council allow the
building of a significant business/retail premises just a few miles from
where they are regenerating half of the city centre. i think Warren Bradley
might be more inclined to go with Grosvenor rather that 'keep everton
in the Sick Old Lady God
I love Everton and Goodison. All that history in one place. My first visit
was in 1982 and I was stood in the paddock by the Gwladys Street. In our early history, Everton were pioneers in the game. Why are we scared of progress now? Come on lads and girls, vote yes and get us a new gaff. The sad thing is that Goodison has fell to the ages, and we cannot ignore the natural progression of things. If we did that, we'd all still be living in fucking hovels. Dave Tommo. (19/08/07) Definite Yes I think kirkby should be a definite yes we true fans and supporters travel all around the uk watching our beloved everton and we are complaining about traveling an extra 10 mins from goodison to the new kirkby site, alright its in knowsley but its not as if it has a WA or a CH postcode its still L32, and its our chance to move in the right direction and show everyone what a big club we are. liverpool city council only want us to stay because they will lose out on a large amount of revenue, They did not want to know when we wanted to move on to stanley park but when the shite want to they drop everything and give them the go ahead.No one can tell me they did not like the design of our new stadium it looks good, look to the future and lets compete. TOMMY ( TOFFEE ). (19/08/07) Vote Yes Vote
but think with your heads not your hearts. My daughter and I have received
our voting forms today and we are among the lucky, or unlucky fans who
are going to decide on the future of our great club. I for one will be
voting yes to Kirkby. No pie in the sky options of Plan B, C or D or Petty What ever your opinion of the move, I have my own an if your interested its No to the move. But a few people, 'fans' are getting a bit petty. For the majority, the whole situation, how and where its discussed among fans, the kipper site, ale houses, work etc etc has been a model of democratic politics. No bitchy fighting, no name calling, but now its getting stupid. Wools? Kirkby is where I was born, I live in Burscough now. That's f**king wool!!!!! Kirkby is no more wooly than bootle or L bloody 1. Its getting to be more like the politics we are used to in our country, fight each other civilly and as diplomatically as possible an then start with the name calling as soon as we run out of things to say. Surprised someone from the NO camp hasn't found a picture of blue bill with a bloody sheep in his bed or our club haven't had our best five players coming out and saying were off if you vote YES. Keep to the argument. I'm not one of them to come out with the usual.... 'I've watched Everton since I was 1 an watched them 99 years' but I have been going since I was too young to walk an ill go even if we moved to Warrington (no stupid ideas bully or bill), but all this personal crap is pi**ing me an alot of other people off. After all we are the Peoples Club. Neil. (19/08/07) With A Heavy Heart I Will Vote For The Move Well I am looking at my ballot paper deciding which way to vote. The memory of Kings Dock, an iconic stadium not just for Everton but the city and using European money on a tangible, capital project to stand for centuries instead of pissing the funds away on nothing projects is still strong. Oh well I suspected that ‘vested’ interests would make that impossible and Everton and the city missed a gilt edged 24 carat opportunity, history now. We now have the Kirkby project with its subservient relationship with the great Tesco Empire. On the face of it we get massive funding, a new state of the art stadium, near to good access roads etc. But the one thing it does not have for me personally, is that special feeling that it’s the right site for Everton Football Club. We are now told that there is the possibility of the ‘Loop’ site that may have the benefits Kings Dock could have brought the club and city, but how much of a reality is it? We could redevelop Goodison but again how viable is it against the Kirkby project? In the end whether we like it or not Premiership football is about money, hard cash and although I will wait to the last minute to be convinced that the ‘Loop’ alternative or a redeveloped Goodison is really viable, if not, then with a heavy heart I will vote for the move. Gary M (Joe Harper). (19/08/07) Heads Not Hearts Well fellow Blues the time to decide has finally arrived, do we – don’t we – should we – shouldn’t we. Let the talking end and let us do what is right for the Mighty Blues to progress and compete with the so called big 4. Put your trust in Blue Bill and vote with your HEADS and not your HEARTS the move to Kirkby is the only financially viable option! Try telling the people of Kirkby they are not from Liverpool or Scousers! Mike - Lower Gwladys Street. (19/08/07) Goodison Cannot Be Developed Having read the two article from Mickey Blue Eyes I take heart in discovering like minded Evertonians. Unfortunately Goodison is no longer fit for purpose. Redeveloping is not an option. In my opinion the stadium may end up smaller due to safety legislation's etc. Times have changed and we must too. I fully understand the emotions that all of us most be feeling and it is good that we are so passionate about our club. But we must accept that Goodison park is a no go area now. It cannot be redeveloped. A new site must be found. Whether that is in kirkby or liverpool is yet to be decided and at present a long time off. All of us grow up and leave home, that is a fact of life and so too must Everton. At this moment we must be brave and wherever we find ourselves we must continue to show our passion and love of everton. There is no such thing as atmosphere, there is only the sound of thousands of evertonians singing in 1 voice. We must be brave and support our team and create new memories to share with our families. If we continue to fight and squabble then we truly will have handed the city on a plate to the RS as they watch us linger on to memories gone and fade into a shadow of old glories. Paul Brownbill. I'm all for kirkby. One annoying thing is that these idiots who say they'll watch bootle fc(sefton, not liverpool) and tranmere (wirral,cheshire). Think before you speak guys, were all scousers after all. Simo Efc. (19/08/07) Don’t believe the hype. If there is one thing that both the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ Kirkby camps can agree on, then it is that the main priority for Everton FC is to attract major investment with the hope of closing the gap financially on ‘the big four’ and a handful of others who are pulling away from us also. Both camps also agree that the proposed new stadium will not be one of the better new stadiums built, due to the modest amount of money available to build it (in top premiership club terms) and that Kirkby as a location is certainly not the best, given a choice. The pro-Kirkby crowd point out that having a new 50,000 seater stadium with extensive corporate facilities will increase our value in terms of assets and make us far more attractive to the thus far elusive wealthy American/Russian etc. investor. Therefore they are prepared to make a sacrifice on the quality and location of the ground as there is a genuine opportunity for Everton’s financial status to be revived. The logical question that follows then, is: can we still attract investment if we don’t move to Kirkby? Bill Kenwright and Keith Wyness state that we can not. They would have us believe that whilst Arsenal, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Newcastle, Portsmouth, Southampton, Tottenham, West Ham et al have all had significant investment in very recent years, that there is no one out there to invest in Everton Football Club. This stance by the board needs to be challenged as it cannot be correct; for two reasons; firstly, Everton FC has one of the richest and most successful histories in the English game, and more importantly from an investment point of view, is a permanent fixture in the top flight with one of the most consistent and loyal supports, irrespective of form. Anyone who knows anything about the British game knows that Everton are the only ‘big’ club left for investment. Secondly, and this is by far a more salient point, Everton FC are currently 18th on the Deloitte Football Money League, which is the most reputable assessment of the wealth of football clubs globally. The figures relate to turnover, which is the fundamental concern for potential investors as it relates directly to ‘money-making opportunity’. Only seven English teams lie above us; and they are all crossed off the list marked ‘clubs available for investment’. We therefore HAVE TO be rife for investment, especially as this new trend for foreign investment is only just gathering momentum. For this to be true, there has to be a reason why the club are misleading us and why they are touting Kirkby as the only option. Bill Kenwright knows that he has to sell the club sooner or later. If however he can sell the club whilst we are residing in a new 50,000 seater stadium in Kirkby, then he is set to walk away with substantially more money than he would if we sold now, as the value of the clubs’ assets would be far greater. Bill Kenwright therefore has a massive conflict of interest in the whole Kirkby proposal, as his personal wealth is greatly affected. Can we trust this businessman? His moral get-out is achieved by giving the fans a vote on the issue; however as a businessman he would have assumed that by controlling the propaganda, providing the supporters with one sided information within the voting package (which makes a mockery of the vote being fair, by the way), by getting the employees of the club such as the manager and players to publicly back the move, and by controlling the local media, who are in the back packet of both of the city’s football clubs, he would have been convinced that the fans would back the move. A good businessman can sell sand to the arabs, and we, the gullible, loyal sheep are the ones being offered this sand. Anyone acting in the best interests of the club at this time would suspend the vote due to the clear significant numbers strenuously opposed to going to Kirkby. Why does it have to be a do or die scenario? Why can’t the club’s Kirkby proposal be put on the shelf? How can it be that some people don’t smell a rat? Another factor that a lot of people don’t seem to appreciate, is that as part of the Kirkby proposal we have already attracted investment, i.e. Tesco. Tesco, who would invest a substantial multi million pound figure into Everton Football Club for them to build a ground, are not doing this to help Everton out of a hole, they are doing it because they stand to make vast amounts of money out of it themselves by having the biggest supermarket in the country on the same site. This is only possible because of the commercial power of Everton Football Club. Put simply, Everton FC are a massive brand who can make other companies money. This is why Bestway are now looking to get involved on a proposal for an alternative project (i.e. The Loop). Tesco, who are clearly the only astute players in this set up, know the attraction of Everton FC, hence them dictating the ‘exclusivity period’ as a term of the deal. Why would they do this unless they didn’t fear another business partner would come along to snap up a joint-venture with Everton FC? The one good thing about the Kirkby offer is that it has splashed Everton FC all over the media, made people more aware of our plight and propelled us into the shop window. It has also embarrassed Liverpool City Council into action, who unlike on previous occasions when the club has tried dealing with them, are now led by an Everton season ticket holder. So Evertonians, do not underestimate our power as a brand, do not ignore the ever increasing economic boom that is happening under our noses in Liverpool City Centre and the fact that there will be businesses and investors out there ready to work with Everton if we want them. Don’t think that if we knock Kirkby back that we are not going to get another opportunity again. Don’t fall for the propaganda. Don’t just accept the first mediocre offer that comes along just so Mr Kenwright can cash in. As someone else has said recently, when the right deal comes along we won’t need a vote because we will know it will be right. This Kirkby one, deep down, we all know isn’t right. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. Roy. (19/08/07) The Images Don't Fit I'm
sorry KEIOC, or whoever made it, but the stadium images are a joke. From
what I have seen you have put two possible stadiums up in But
off the point of that, why is it that everybody cares so much about what
other clubs have and what liverpool have? In my opinion, I would prefer
to stay at Goodison for as long as it can last which would be easily 20
years or even more. Why don't the club just get planning permission on
a site to build on and leave it a couple of years after the financial
worries are over. A message to all ballot voters, please for god sake
vote no. George 15 Preston. (19/08/07) Pot Kettle Black! So let's get this straight, If Everton move to Kirkby, None of you are going to come? And all of your kids will end up supporting the Shite? You should all be thoroughly fucking ashamed. It will be you pissing on the Heritage of My great club and all your blue blooded ancestors not the board as fucking useless as they maybe. Kopites are gobshites?? Pot Kettle Black! Oh and I'm voting to No. Darren, Runcorn Yes To Kirkby Me
personally I welcome the move to Kirby,I'm sick of hearing all these so
EVERTONIANS with there BULL***T views on staying, at the end of the day
in the idealistic evertonian world we would all love nothing better than
to be in a REDEVELOPED,STATE OF THE ART FORTRESS THAT IS GOODISON PARK,
but lets face facts this is never going to happen,we have the perfect
opportunity here brothers to move forward and create NEW HISTORY at a
brand new stadium,most people who are saying we should say no to the move
have had our ground on there doorstep for to long and have to face uo
to the fact that they'll have to travel a hand full of miles down the
road not 50'000. EVERTON IS IN OUR HEARTS and lets not forget that and
all these people on here who say ill boycott the matches if we move,well
to me these people should not be donning the blue shirt if you ask me,And
one final thing before i go we are "THE PRIDE OF MERSEYSIDE"
not THE PRIDE OF LIVERPOOL CITY BOUNDRIES lets not forget that. ANDY.
SEASON TICKET HOLDER ST. HELENS. MERSEYSIDE !!!!!! Still Undecided Before I begin, it must be recognised that all persons reading these posts must be true blues. The depth of feeling this Summer is incredible. Not only have we the biggest decision to make in the Club’s history since 1892 when we originally quit Anfield, but the lack of on pitch investment is also obvious. I am still undecided on the subject, as I want more information that sadly does not seem to be forthcoming. However, I am edging towards a yes vote, as KEIOC are quite obviously no great debate team. Standing on a soap box and shouting an ill thought out argument (say no or we will not go!) is childish and not in the best interests of those taking this vote seriously. The reason for this post, is a request for some genuine information, rather than ill thought arguments. I understand the history of the ground, the fears of local businesses closing (quite a large part of KEIOCs support comes from here) and the concerns of what Tesco’s really gets out of this (is it a condition of planning permission?). However, despite some of the long mails doom-mongering not one can lay down any facts as to why moving is bad for EVERTON. Not the local businesses, nor the ‘genuine’ fans (who will not follow EFC anywhere, not even 4 miles down the road. Must make away games a little scary for them), but EVERTON, the TEAM we all follow. I do want a balanced argument however, as originally I was going to say no until the information for outweighed the information against. Any further concrete arguments as to why we should move are most welcome. What will happen if we remain at GOODISON? Is the future so bleak? I also want to know what the mysterious plan B is. We are not stupid people. Wyness can not say that there is no plan B but if we vote no nothing will happen. If the vote is no, and the board fulfil their promise to stay at GOODISON, does that mean, if their threats are true, we will be a Sunday League team in 10-15 years shooting between jumpers in Stanley Park because the Old Lady has been shut down by Health and Safety? Remember, they are business men first and foremost, with a substantial part of their own wealth in the club. They will not risk losing so much, so there must be other avenues already explored. And why the short notice vote before all information is released? Smacks of something a politician would do. I do believe Bill has the best interests of the Club in mind, he saved the club from certain extinction under the hands of Johnson, and his decisions (namely hiring DM) have meant we are once again a team to be feared. I do not trust Wyness however, and I can not take anything he says at face value, hence a request for more information. I know I am not the only one with questions still floating around, and it would be stupid to vote without them being answered. However, Wyness has said this vote is binding, so please, please, please use your vote if you have one. Do not sit on the fence or not vote as a demonstration, as this vote will count. It is going to be close if everyone votes, and it will be a true representation of the feelings held by those lucky enough to have the chance. DO NOT refuse to vote, as you are only playing into the hands of the yes vote (I know I am one but I want a balanced opinion). Great site, the first I log onto everyday. Keep up the good work (KUTGW), everyone seems to be at it. Leon Rea. (19/08/07) Nil Satis Nisi Optimum? Then no to Kirkby. If you agree with our club ethos then you
should clearly be voting no to this slow killing of EFC. Let me get a
few things off my chest: Big Blue JUST
READING BEATTIE'S MESSAGE TOT THE FANS ON EFC WEBSITE BUT HAD TO LAUGH
WHEN HE SAYS BILL KENWRIGHT IS AS BIG A BLUE AS YOU WOULD FIND ??? IS
THAT SO ??? WHY THEN IS HE TRYING TO GET US TO LEAVE LIVERPOOL AND RE
LOCATE TO KIRBY,IF KIRBY IS IN LIVERPOOL THEN WHY DOES IT HAVE ITS OWN
COUNCIL CALLED KNOWSLEY, WE ALL KNOW WE NEED A NEW GROUND BUT WE BELONG
IN THE CITY OF LIVERPOOL, BULLY BEEF DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK WERE WE MOVE
BECAUSE AS FAR AS HE IS CONCERNED ONCE WE MOVE TO KIRBY IT WILL BE JOB
DONE AND THEN MOVE ONTO HIS NEXT PROJECT WITH A NICE JUICY TESCO BACKHANDER,
IS HE USING ALL THE GROUND TALK TO HIDE THE FACT THAT OUR SQUAD IS GETTING
SMALLER AND APART FROM A FEW RUMOURS FUCK ALL IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT?
BILL IF YOU WERE A REAL BLUE LIKE YOU SAY THEN FORGET KIRBY AND THINK
LIKE A REAL BLUE AND NOT A BUSINESS MAN. CHEERS. MATTY. (19/08/07) Get Behind The Move I am sick n tired of others going on about heritage, pride, I for one don’t want to be associated with Liverpool and its postcodes does anyone at keioc really believe that people outside Liverpool associate EVERTON FC with the city, maybe the Beatles and lfc are but EVERTON no don’t think so. All I get for the pride of being in the city is the opportunity to see there fans marching past my door with banners about how successful they have been, don’t surrender the city EVERTON FC (has never been in the city) we have always been outcasts and why we are bringing them into the argument is beyond me, that’s there fans with man utd. Let’s get as far away from that dark shadow (anfield) as possible, being influenced by them i.e. (were surrendering the city to the red shite) makes my point for me. Let’s get behind the move so we have the chance to compete and get back to were we all know we belong not any city but in are veins and are hearts and at the top were we belong.ps its all about what the team achieves for us not were they achieved it. Karl Meighan. (19/08/07) Kirkby Move steve holmes! What Are You on about? That just shows you how many of you who are against this move have not got a clue, you say you would rather go and watch bootle? bootle is outside the city boundries! and so is crosby you tit! there both in sefton not liverpool as is kirkby in knowsley. its a different council That's all. i spoke to some fella the other day who said it would be fine if we moved to huyton because That's in liverpool, ha ha. its knowsley the same as kirkby. you know what there's more evertonians in kirkby than anywhere else in the city! That's right the city because we are in the city and you try and tell anyone from kirkby there not a scouser, you'll get a fucking crack. all you cunts have made us feel like fucking leapers and its left a lot of bad blood. sorry if the emotions seem to be running a bit high but does us a favour lads and lassess, get you facts right before you come on bluekipper pulling kirkby down, there's a huge number of blues who have been made to feel like there not a Evertonian and its hurt us! fozza in KIRKBY, LIVERPOOL, L32. (19/08/07) Stadium Move Aggro - Even Here Everyone
of us has this experience: i'm in my local in tobermory with a crew of
regulars watching the footie.it was feyenoord v the scum and i'm enjoying
myself.so far so good .just a minute or so after stevie lar scores,in
walks a prick with his prick girlfriend.how did i know he was a prick
i hear you all asking.well,the liverpool t shirt was a fairly blatant
clue.he then starts expressing surprise that the game was nearly over,some
fan,didn't even know when his own team was playing.me being a nice guy
pointed this out to him and also gave him a rundown of the game as i saw
it. liverpool's overpriced forwards running around like dickheads and
producing fuck all.and once again having to rely on captain courageous
to bail them out. I even magnanimously conceded that it was a well taken
goal.the tit just muttered something about bitter blues and went to the
bar while i rejoined my mates. Vote No Please , please, the few who are promoting the move don’t be swayed by the b*llsh%t. Why will our Illustrious history, our fans, our club fall apart if we don’t move to Kirkby in the near future? I don’t understand this point of view. Just as we may be going in the right direction on the pitch, we are being forced to stall by the directors scampering for the cheap option…yet again. The move to Kirkby holds a lot more risk to the future of our club than staying at Goodison and working towards a solution in the city, in the middle of a massive catchment area for fans. This is not only today’s fans (like myself) but our future fans. The future kids of Liverpool are less likely to grow up true Evertonians if the team plays 4, 5 or more miles from the city they live. Will thousands be walking the streets of Kirkby to the game on a Saturday afternoon, with that buzz etc??? (No) When the Kirkby move was first mentioned I was dead against it, but would have gone with it if my view was way off the mark. Having spoken to a lot of evertonians I am even more against it. The arguments for the move to Kirkby are nonsense. I agree we need to move in the near future, but Kirkby…it needs to be binned. VOTE NO NOW! Kinny. (19/08/07) No To Kirkby No To The Board It’s time we stopped getting mugged. It’s time to start putting things right. It’s time we made the most important decision in our history. We cannot afford to let this board attempt to take us ‘forward’ anymore. We must say ‘no’ to Kirkby and we must put pressure on Kenwright to give up the reigns and let someone else with an ounce of football business sense take over. Off the field it’s a farce as usual. On the field, we are back in Europe but are you really looking forward to it with this threadbare squad?. No doubt there will be the usual last minute deals to ease our pain but how much longer are you prepared to put up with the usual scenario whilst every other club passes us by ? We need desperately to move forward but we must start from scratch. New board, new stadium then new beginning. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum…………let’s put the words into deeds.!!!! Jim Fitzsimons. (19/08/07) No to Kirkby? Do
not vote yes because of the fear that it is the ONLY option. Vote YES
if you are CERTAIN it is the RIGHT and BEST option, otherwise vote NO.
Vote No - Kirkby Is Worse Than Mosside I
might only be 15, But to me Everton is my life. I come home from school
to get my dad saying Everton's thinking of moving. At first I thought
he was messing with me, Winding me up then I come and log onto the Everton's
website and see that he is telling the truth, I say fuck it I've been
a season ticket holder for 7 years and they want me to vote yes to the
move. So that red shite can take our home town I think not. We was there
first. Also I was around kirkby. I've got to say Mosside in Manchester
looks better. How can they think we can move there God. And look at me
I get stick of children every day living in Manchester and being a Everton
fan. But I say fuck them like fuck off to kirkby. Come On You Blue Boys!! Vote Yes I
have read a lot of peoples views on the kirkby stadium project and to
be honest I'm gettin really pissed off about a lot of em. I would prefer
to The club is going in the right direction on the pitch but that has to be matched off it! We are losing catastrophic amounts of potential revenue by staying at Goodison and we must move. Think about this ... Man Utd sell more corporate meals on a matchday than we get spectators thru the Goodison turnstiles! Now That's a piss take, for what we all believe is a big club of english football, which Everton is. At the end of the day the move to kirkby is the best option and we have to take it. I'm sorry but any so called 'supporter' out there who says 'if this move goes ahead, they would no longer go to the game' isn't a real Evertonian! If this move to Kirkby gets voted 'no' I really fear for what the next years will bring. For christ's sake Support the club and don't hold it back, this is a massive opportunity to push the club forward to where we all know it belongs, competitive on and off the pitch. For fuck sake people rule with ya head instead of ya heart. If this move gets a 'no' vote its the end of our club. EFC TILL I DIE! COYB! Chris S, Wallasey. (19/08/07) Kirkby City Of Liverpool Lets put this Kirkby is not in Liverpool argument to bed. I play golf at Kirkby golf course. The sign outside says: "Welcome to Kirkby Golf Course - City Of Liverpool." With a big Liver bird on it. This is literally a stones throw away from where the new stadium is being built. Vote Yes. Jud. (19/08/07) Stay In Liverpool For
all Evertonians who think the move the kirkby is good, think about the
embaresment. Firstly name one football club in kirkby? See none. We won't
have any rivals. Secondly the stewards will have like happy to help on
the back of the jackets and we will be the reason of every joke with people
telling us to do our shopping at the end of the match. Start thinking
Wyness and get a better option. IN LIVERPOOL! Dylan
Rogers. (19/08/07) Stay At Goodison Again I plead with you think about what were are being asked to do vote to leave our ground and move outside the Walton area. Cmon its suicide have we no value as Evertonians? What if Tesco had not come in we would have to find the finances to redevelop Our home GOODISON PARK. Ok its been said that the old lady is outdated and its outlived its use. Are we so blind and stupid to believe that, we all still go there in our droves, tradition I enjoy and still get that heartfelt buzz every time walk down towards the ground I honestly can say I wont get the same feeling moving to Kirkby or elsewhere I have been told vote with your head not your heart well as I have said more than once if you haven't got a heart you will die we are the heart of this great club don't let it die by voting yes to move get these Directors to put there money where there mouth is keep us at Goodison like you all I cant wait to see the outcome of this vote, I have been reading Dixie's book again if that does not inspire you to stay at Goodison I don't know what will the greats that have played on our pitch. Should not be forgotten our forefathers who have watched Everton as we do should not be forgotten we owe it to them to remain at Goodison Park and carry on the spirit of the blues. Best regards. BLUE PRIDE. Ronnie. (19/08/07) Still Unsure I’ve been reading all the comments on here over the past few months about our proposed move, and all the time keeping an open mind, because to be honest, I really don’t know myself, I read some really good comments which swing it one way, then the other! So. Plan a) We move to Kirby – I think to myself, yes, because we can’t afford a new stadium, GP is well past it’s best, we need extra revenue and it’s virtually paid for! But.. Why the fuck should we be forced out of “OUR CITY!”, yes LCC have bent over backwards (ahem!! Now now, I know what ya thinking!!) to help the redshite, and we get treated like this, so screw you LCC, we’re wanted a few miles down the road, so we’ll go there!! BUT, we’re L4 and we should stay L4 Plan b) Redevelop GP – Now I’m no Architect or builder, but can this seriously be done? And if it could. How in flying fuckland could we afford it!!!??? We couldn’t afford Kings Dock, we’re struggling in the Transfer Market, so what makes people think we could afford to redevelop!? BUT, it’s OUR home, it’s where we belong! I really don’t know. Kirby is still 0151 and ‘L’ country, it’s still ‘Scouseland’ – but LCC don’t seem to want us. LCC may not want us, but it’s OUR CITY, so \/ to LCC we’re staying in the City. I’m unsure!! As if every pre-season transfer saga isn’t enough to contend with!!! Hayden. (19/08/07) Move To Anfield Anyone thought of something really radical? Moving home to anfield when the squatters there move out! talk about sending out statements! Mike Mitchell. (19/08/07) Kirkby or the championship? get a grip. Do you really think if we vote no, we will end up in the Championship? That's the sort of scare tactics that really gets on my tits. The board is trying to scare us into the move, and we should call their bluff - the exclusivity period has negated any possibility of alternative solutions being seriously investigated and we should vote a big fat NO. We have been promised 10+million per season to spend on players if we move; well, for uprouting the club from Liverpool that is a fairly SHIT return. As for LCC they have let the people of Walton down, allowing a massive business like Everton to move would be a big mistake. Please don't take a short term view on this; it's a big decision and we're being bulldozed into it. Ignore the scare mongering and vote NO - make the board look at alternatives. Jem O'Reilly. (19/08/07) It's Going To Happen I've read most of the views on leaving Goodison, some make sense others not. But this much is crystal clear, Wyness is a clueless tit. If you look at what has been done at the club since his arrival what does it amount to? The success on the field is absolutely nothing to do with him, and don't give me any bollocks about him backing the manager. David Moyes is the reason we are starting to improve. The 'backing' this manager has received is laughable. Okay he bought Beattie, Johnson and Lescott for 'big' money, but only because he bought nuggets like Cahill & Arteta for peanuts. Wyness is responsible for the commercial aspect of Everton, correct? Well how come the merchandise is utter crap? Why are we with JJB? How come nobody has picked up on Retro aspect of fashion that everybody else has but not us? A simple blue shirt with either Ball, Harvey, Kendall etc on it? I'm not sure what i'll vote for as far as the stadium is concerned, i know we have to move forward, but i think we can still do this at a redeveloped Goodison and i know we could do this. At the same time you look at the potential a new stadium offers & you think that as a focus point it would be very impressive. Be honest, most of the players we have now don't give a toss for Goodison, if you listen to some of the comments. We do because it means so much, but That's what we're like, eternal optimists. I'm sure we could create an atmosphere anywhere but this all smacks of commercialism at its worst, ie, everyone else is doing it so we'll have to follow suit. I think the stadium will go ahead, most people get a hard on when you start talking money & size, but i pray that the fans make it work because i don't trust the dreamers in charge. I cant see the reasoning of the ones who say 'i wont go if they move'. I would go to watch Everton anywhere. Its going to happen, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out, its a sign of the times that we live in, it could prove to be a great move, but i will miss GOODISON PARK very, very much. Kevin Clarke. (19/08/07) We Have To Move I Live in Milton Keynes and sad to say the
'MK Dons stadium' is far superior to Goodison, I have been going to Goodison
since the 1950s and sad to say we have to move. In 66 we were the tops,
in 07 we have to look again, with a feeling of sadness I say we have to
move. KEIOC Your'e Joking Aw no, just seen the pictures of plan b by k.e.i.o.c. It has to be april 1st. it looks like a photo stuck on a map with paste. They have to be joking if they think that it can compare with kirkby, are you sure blue bill hasn't done this to make us vote for kirkby? I am sure the shite would have a good laugh walking past that to get to their new deluxe ground. Have k.e.i.o.c not seen their ground? two of the corners of the new goodison look like it has not been finished, this plan has only reaffirmed my view that we have to go to kirkby. yours. the toffee ed. (19/08/07) Plan C I think Mike (03/08/07) has has got it spot on. We do have time to wait and I think we should. Perhaps "plan C" would be for KW to say "yes we are for sale IF you build us a new stadium in the city". As far as Tesco is concerned the Kirby site is all about location location. Note the distance from, and demographical similarities to, their outlet in Bidston on the Wirral. Tesco is "hooking into" the EVERTON brand on the cheap. It certainly is the deal of the century for them. In the meantime BB had better get the cheque book out quick smart - the war banner is in the air again - and we need a midfielder big time or it won't matter. Come on the Blues. Laurie from OZ. (19/08/07) Yes To Kirkby Not 4 days ago I posted my views on this site and said a resounding yes to the Kirkby move. At the Werder Brenam match I got talking to a guy in the next seat who couldn't of been more opposed to the move, arguing we are giving up the city to Liverpool. Well yes we are but lets face fact we lost the city to them years ago as LCC are not in the least bit interested in Everton F.C , Kings Dock fiasco, Stanley Park double standard ( still haven't heard why they got it and we didn't ) so I say fuck em, just more reason to pick up sticks and piss off to where we're wanted. Kirkby is not that bad honest, and as far as I'm concerned Kirkby is and always has been part of Liverpool, when people in Kirkby talk of going to town its Liverpool they're talking about, we are scouses and everybody I know in Kirkby is either a Blue or Red. I implore everybody to think long and hard when they vote and remember it is only 4 miles, we're not doing a Wimbledon we won't be called the Kirkby Blues we will still be Everton and as stated before wherever Everton play we turn up in our droves. Yes to Kirkby. Kevin Jones. (19/08/07) What Do You Think? Have your say! e-mail info@bluekipper.com e-mails index New Stadium - The Fans Views |