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Peoples Club - That's a Laugh

I am not normally a letter writer, but my experiences with the so called Peoples Club over the last few days, have compelled me to write to yourselves as I see you as the voice of the Everton fan.

I am one of the fans who had booked on the official Club trip to Nuremberg only to be informed that my ticket which I believed via Everton’s own advertising on their website would be guaranteed for me, actually was not. I was informed via local press that I am one of about two hundred people affected, and to say I am irate about the situation is an understatement.

After countless calls to the club, I find their tone one of deflecting the blame away from themselves as to one of helping and sorting my issue out. I have mailed the Lord Lucan of Everton FC, Keith Wyness, and in fairness I was not expecting a reply and obviously he did not disappoint me. I am currently writing to Bill Kenwright, over my issues, and no doubt when he receives a significant number of letters over the same issue, a standard reply will no doubt be sent out, aka Bucharest of 2005.

I find it ironic that the travel company concerned have told me to take my complaint up with Everton, as I believe myself that it is our club who have messed up again, and not the Travel Company in question. Yes I have booked on another trip, but no as yet I have no match ticket. That was the only reason I booked on the official trip for the match ticket, as with countless other independent trips I could have got to Germany much cheaper. You book on the official trip, you get a ticket, surely that as per their own advertising is they have a head start on other packages, no but not our Peoples Club.

I understand that tickets are at a premium, but surely if the club controls the allocation, their own travel packages as per their advertisements would surely come with a match ticket.

I am not putting all Everton’s administration ills at the door of Kenwright and Wyness, as they employ managers to run departments for them. Obviously the calibre of managers they currently have in certain departments cold not organise a Kids Christmas Party. This is not the first time I have had trouble with our cub over ticket allocation, and on the whole I find the girls and lads on the ticket office windows mostly helpful, even when they are working under the most bizarre rules set down by incompetent managers running the Department.

Sort it out Wyness and Kenwright, you employ theses people, either up the calibre of the Management within your organisation, or the marketing gimmick of the Peoples Club, will be a hollow statement.

One Pissed Off Blue (05/11/07)

Quote From Neville

"Phil Neville believes the demands of international football will lead to an increasing number of players cutting short their England careers." They should go and work in a factory, 5 and a half days every week and for a pittance. They then play football Saturday afternoon and on Sundays. What a bloody cheek. Mike Kendrick. (05/11/07)

Dave Hickson

Can anyone remember the words of the "Hickson" version of "The Ballad of Davy Crockett". I think it starts, "Born on a mountain top in Ellesmere Port Football was his favourite sport". Thank you. John, Wirral. (05/11/07)

Larissa Victory

Anichebe is our best striker at the moment. He's been used to great effect by coming on to terrorise tired defences, but can you imagine Yakubu or Johnson on their recent form slotting those winners so coolly and confidently? A great blend of strength, pace and no little skill. How much did he cost us? Leigh Hardie. (26/10/7)

Keep Up The Pressure

I can't understand why the fuss has to die down following the Clattenburg non-performance on Saturday. This fella has cheated us no end. The point we could possibly have had on Saturday could be the difference between us qualifying for Europe again (or not). I can understand where Stubbsy is coming from with his comments about 'learning from it' and all that, but we shouldn't just roll over and accept it. Everton Football Club should demand action from the Premiership, the FA in fact anyone that might listen.

Hackett might demote Clattenbug for a game because of his antics on Saturday, but how does that benefit Everton. Also, how does it penalise the opposition that that benefited from his decisions? Moyesy has stated he won't answer the phone should there be an offer of an apology. Well isn't that a massive step in the right direction. He should be screaming from the roof tops and Bill Kenwright should be demanding answers.

Now is the time to start putting the situation right. One man, the ref, can no longer keep up with the speed of the game. The linesmen are of no use whatsoever, often overruled by the ref even if in a better position to see the play. The Lescott penalty incident was apparently missed by only the ref and his so called assistant.The ref saw the Kuyt lunge. There can only be one reason for not introducing video technology. Saturday's game is proof of that. That's sinister Make up your own mind.

PS If any reds read these posts, ask yourself one question. Would Shankly have made the comments after the game that your current manager did?? The game has come a long way. Eddieparkend. COYB. (05/11/07)

Evil Ones

So we are a small club. Oh did anyone notice the fat waiter running (bouncing) across the pitch to join the rest of his phoneys to celebrate beating(cheating) a small club? Just been handed a copy of clutterbergs best mates autobiography. The prick has two pages eulogising about clutterberg and poll as" the best two refs around....top drawer.... never influenced by the occasion. enough said. Charty. (26/10/07)

Clattenberg

I think it is totally ridiculous that a ref that was part of the red shites entourage in asia was allowed to ref the Derby. You have to be thick as shit if you think hes going on tour with the shite and isnt going to get matey with them. Then he was seen holding a signed Gerrard shirt, thats surely a sign thats hes got a soft spot for the RS. I also didnt like the attempt to pull the wool over over eyes, telling us he won't be refing a premier league game, when he's actually refing a UEFA match instead. making it out like he was banned. A neutral i work with said the second he saw me "i've never seen such badly biased refing in 22 years of watching football" To me that speaks volumes..... COYB. Craig Ashford. (26/10/07)

The Derby

I refer to Gwladys' email earlier just want to say spot on. Its all well and good moaning about the referees despicable performance but as the better half of Merseyside, what are we going to do about it? If the majority of people put this to the FA surely they will have to act upon these complaints as the governing body of English football. However as Moyesy rightly points out even if Hackett does respond with an apology he won't take the call anyway - what is the point? The shite have cheated and misled the referee in an abhorrent way to the 3 points. It doesn't matter how they got them but they did and in their book that's what counts. Obviously the fans, the manager and the players do not have an iota of morality or intellectual ability about them and if they took a minute to think about this they would realise that.. This brings me to the last heavily debated point- video refereeing. From what I can gather from the majority of people in the game (namely the players) they are quite against this. Will it ruin the game, will it add ridiculous amounts of extra time on the game? Maybe but as a blue I am 100 % confident that this would be in no way a disadvantage to us. What if they did a trial and only used video evidence as a last resort in say ONLY penalty decisions? I hope Clattenberg et al went home on Saturday and felt happy they put in a good performance at work- personally if I did that in work I'd have had numerous warnings and be on the rock and roll by now. Anyway as Gwladys suggested,I have registered and made my point to the FA and hope other blues follow suit. I await with anticipation a reply! Cathbluenose. (23/10/07)

Question

Who was one of the referee's of RS pre-season tour/game in Hong Kong?
Who was seen in the bar showing off his signed Gerrard shirt?

Mark Revell. (23/10/07)

Refs Have Bad Days But..

As an ex park referee I had good and bad days like everyone. If I had a bad day my decisions affected both teams equally because your decision making whilst flawed were consistent. Saturdays game reminded me of a park football game with no ref so a guy from one of the teams refereed the game. That person would be naturally biased towards his team but the other team expected that so you knew where you were. In my view and from my limited refereeing experience Clattenburg was influenced and biased towards the shite.

I thought their first goal was a pen, I thought his initial yellow card decision was correct because the shite player was not directly through on goal, Hibbert was directing him away from the centre of the goal. What happened then was due to direct influence by that red shite player. Kuyt 2 footed flying tackle at Neville was an automatic red card, its in the rule book under violent conduct. Our first pen appeal could have gone either way but the judo throw on Lescott was so obvious and the referee had a clear view, there was no way that even a park referee would not have given it, well unless that ref was biased towards his team.

I hope the FA and Refs Association take Mark Clattenburg to the cleaners, he must at least be demoted to the lower leagues, my opinion is that he should be sacked with immediate effect. I can put up with bad refs but this guy insulted the integrity and honesty of all refs be it in the Premier League or park football. WayneWales. (23/10/07)

Moyes Team Selection

Lets start by looking at the team that Moyes picked? He went with Physical up front............. The Yak and Anichoves up front.....no problem with that. Now lets look at the midfield. Arteta, Neville, Jags and Osman.............Jags has no experience of a Derby match and Osman is lightweight. he should have played Carsley for Jags and Cahill for Osman! Neville should have played right back! Then he picked a centre half at left back and leaves Baines (a left back) on the bench?....Hibbert is a waste of space anyway and Neville should have played right back! MOYES picked the wrong team!

Now the referee! The first penalty is dubious because Gerrard is not running directly at goal, he is running the right channel arguably away from goal. He would have had to shoot with his weaker left foot, and still had the goalie to beat. Therefore, it becomes less of a goal scoring opportunity and because Gerrard dives, a yellow card would have been the answer. Gerrard the approaches the Ref ,to influence his decision.....this is bringing the game into disrepute, and Gerrard should be charged by the FA with ungentlemanly conduct! No problem with the second penalty......but we should not have been down to ten men in the first place? There were two blatant penalties for Everton that the Ref (for reasons only known to himself) should have given!

Clattenburg should be hauled in by Hackett for a full explanation and analysis of the match. He then should be given a 3 match ban, re-trained and NEVER given another Derby match! In essence Everton have been CHEATED!...............The match should be made null and void and replayed! Mal(trueblue)........But not holdings! (23/10/07)

Not sure if anyone else noticed this late on in the game

Unfortunately, I switched my TV off when I thought that the match had finished. However, someone told me that the ref actually added on another 10 minutes after the original 3, so I turned it back on to see the final minute. The commentary was something like this:

Lescott now kicking off alone after Liverpool's tenth goal and the sending off of Lescott's final teammate. Liverpool fail to keep the ball and it's straight back to Lescott who waltzes past the Liverpool players yet again. He reaches the area only to find Carragher arrive again. This time he's picked him up. What's he doing? He's thrown him into the stand.

Now that one must be a penalty! No, Clattenburg who was chatting to Gerrard on the touchline at the time waves play on. Liverpool pass the ball all around the pitch. Some great passing but not much penetration towards the Everton box.

Lescott's finally crawled out of the stand and the referee insists that he walks to the halfway line to come on. He's back on now and walks back to the penalty area with Liverpool still playing some great passes around the halfway line. But now Carragher has spotted Lescott and runs into the penalty area. He runs straight into Lescott, and now on the ground he's talking to him.

"You nicked my England place! I sat on that bench for years and was not allowed to go on the pitch, then you just walk up and get to play straight away, well it's just not fair and I'm going to make you pay. Ref! Did you see that he wrestled me to the ground, can you finally send Joleon off?"

"Certainly can Jamie, why didn't you ask earlier? I thought you were enjoying throwing him around!" Clattenburg reaches into his pocket and produces the Reds' card and awards a penalty.

Kite flies in from the halfway line where he'd been trying to pass to teammates, Lescott just manages to jump out of the way as Kite makes another wild landing. He places the ball on the spot.

He must be nervous, he's only scored 10 so far this season and there is the big atmosphere of the derby match. He just manages to sneak the ball into the unguarded net, a slightly stronger effort than his previous one that Lescott saved comfortably until the referee insisted that he release the ball behind himself when the Liverpool forwards formed a maul (or ruck or whatever those things are where RU players jump on each other).

So just time for the game to restart again with Liverpool now 11-1 up in this controversial game. With no Everton players on the pitch Clattenburg kicks off to the Liverpool team, who pass the ball around nicely making occasional progress into the Everton half but almost manage a bizarre own goal at their own end before the final whistle is finally blown.

What an amazing match. Everton managed to dominate play throughout and hold off the Liverpool attacks even when left with no players on the pitch yet conceded 11 goals and 11 Reds' cards. The Liverpool players are soaring with joy at their amazing victory, nearly another mid air collision just then. What a game! James Tindale. (23/10/07)

Another Derby Day in the Merry Old Land of Oz

In the Kipper lounge prior to the redshite game you just knew it was going to be one of those days as soon as Sausage announced the side. A few of us thought it was a wind up to, well, wind us up, but there was some disbelief that Baines was on the bench, the midfield included Jags and Neville again, and there was no pace whatsoever up front against Hyppia, the slowest man since Slowy McSlow won the slowest man award in Slow City. If, as we were led to believe earlier in the week, both Cahill and Gravesen were fit, why was neither one on the bench? Jagielka is clearly going through a rough time so it seemed an unusual decision to play him in a derby game and leave Carsley out, even if Moyesie thought that Jagielka would provide a bit of height in our munchkin midfield. A strange, strange team selection.

And so it began. We weren’t at the races for the first 10 minutes but after we settled down we looked comfortable enough. That’s not to say good, just comfortable, because to be perfectly honest we were our usual selves of little invention and long, hopeful balls up to Big Vic and Yak the Sprint. But what can you expect after all, we’re just a small club you will recall. (You know, I’d love to twat Benitez in the mouth with my kid’s 5 iron and tell him to shut it because it’s only a small club). And what of the “big” club that’s spent £50 million or whatever it is this year, the club who are – so the pundits say – major contenders for the title this season, one of the so-called “Big 4” of the Premiership (apparently you can be called that if you’ve never won it – what the fuck??), how did they play against the small club? Well, they lived up to their name in that they were absolute shite, with a capital “shite”. Are they really that deluded that they think they can mix it with Man U and Arsenal for the title? Well yes they are, the arrogant bastards, which just shows you how much in touch they are with reality.

Speaking of reality, why was there none of it in Clattenberg’s absolutely desperately poor performance? This, by the way as Moysie pointed out, was the same referee who was with the redshite in the pre-season Asia tour. This was one of the worst shifts I’ve ever seen from a referee, professional or otherwise. Did he really – and I mean really – see Hibbert foul Stevie G Laaar? And was he certain that it was in the box? Because if he wasn’t in either case then he had no right to award the penalty, and in any case how many times have you seen the ref give the defender the benefit of the doubt in those situations? Then he lets Gerrard tell him to send Hibbert off! You hear the ex-pros on TV complain when players surround a referee to get another player sent off, but I didn’t hear anybody complain about Gerrard’s shithouse actions even though it was obvious that he got Hibbert red carded. So maybe it’s OK if instead of screaming at the ref to send a player off you just take him one side and order him to do it because you play for England and the shite.

Or in Carragher’s case, used to play for England before the toys came out of the pram, as he decided that he’d referee the game himself when Gerrard went off. You’d have to say that from the shite point of view Carragher had a great game in his 4th official capacity, especially when he told Clattenberg that it wasn’t a penalty after he threw Joleon onto the deck right at the end with a classic WWF move. Fuck me, if Stevie Wonder had been the ref and Blind Pew and Andrea Boccelli the linos they would all have seen that one, it must be the worst decision since Custer complained to the Indians about the noise they were making in the next field. Carragher obviously used the legal defence known as the “Michael Shields Defence” – he just said it wasn’t him and everybody believed him

Of course at this point we were 2-1 down, courtesy of a penalty scored by a guy who shouldn’t even have been on the pitch. No, not because he’s so ugly, but because he should have been in the bath well before. Yes, that’s him, Dirk Kunt. There is absolutely no doubt, none whatsoever, that he should have been sent off – that is if the referee understands the rules of the game. But as we saw earlier, he doesn’t unless Stevie G Laar tells him what they are, and as Gary Naysmith will testify, that redshite twat thinks two footed tackles are the business. When will we see a referee in a derby game send a redshite off for tackles like that? Maybe Phil Neville should have taken Clattenberg to one side (ring any bells?) and told him that 2 feet off the ground tackles are sending off offences, but on the other hand maybe our lads have too much class to grass up a fellow pro, even if that fellow pro has a face like something that’s been left out of the fridge all night.

Ah yes, class. I’ve been building up to this one. I can’t think of any manager with less class than that fat Spanish no-mark Benitez, or “Rafa” as the Echo always call him. (Have you ever noticed how often it’s “Rafa” with the Red Echo, and always “Moyes”? No bias there, then.) Benitez must be the most arrogant, charmless, pig headed – in more ways than one – manager I’ve come across in over 40 years watching football, and I’ve seen some twats of managers in that time. Shankley and Paisley, even Dalglish for that matter, they all had a basic respect for Everton despite everything; Benitez doesn’t even respect his own fans, and he treats us with complete contempt. We all know about the “small club” jibe, well he’s only been in British football 5 minutes so what the fuck does he know about football heritage? We were football royalty before they even had an indoor shithouse at their gaff (and no, this was even before Jimmy Case). My late Dad always drummed it into me when I was a kid: “Remember son, the cemeteries are full of people who never saw the redshite win fuck all”. Now Benitez, after what he said after the last game, tells us that their penalties were nailed on, it wasn’t that bad a tackle from Kunt, and – this one is a whopper – Lescott dived for a penalty! How fucking sad is that? And will the FA be writing to ask him to, as they usually put it, “explain his comments” as he’s accused a player of cheating? No. they’ll probably ask Clattenberg to write to him apologising for booking Kunt.

And wasn’t that Benitez who ran over to the redshite fans to celebrate with the team as though they’d “just won the World Cup” – the very thing him and Nosferatu (aka Crouch) slagged us off for last season? Benitez, horrible, horrible bastard.

This was a bad derby for many reasons, not least because we should have done far better against a mediocre side, and we didn’t really help ourselves. Even then, even with a below par performance we should have come out of the game with something; but when, oh when, are we ever going to get crucial decisions going our way against the dark side? Yet again, sitting in the boozer after a derby we felt that it had been a surreal dream, like Dorothy in the Merry Old Land of Oz.

Anyway, as somebody pointed out, we Blue boys don’t stay down long – despite a halfwit referee and a redshite manager who should be cleaning the shithouse (make your own joke there) in La Tasca. Anyway, bollocks to them. At the end of it all we're Evertonians and therefore have won first prize in the lottery of life. COYB. Kevin Latham. (23/10/07)

FA Complaint

I have just complained directly to the FA about Mark Clattenburg in the Derby.
He gets paid directly out of our contributions the club sends to the FA, so he is accountable to us all, just as players are.

He got several major decisions wrong including:
Our 2 penalty shouts
The 2 footed tackle by Kuyt
Gerrard making him show Red to Hibbert, when he was going to show yellow

I can handle a mistake or twoo, but not this many and of this magnitude.
I urge all Evertonians to complain to the FA direct, as its the only way we will pressure them to stop this poor reffing.
You could be excused for thinking they are cheats sometimes??

Complain here

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/ContactUs/Postings/2007/07/ComplaintsProcedure.htm

Cheers. Blueboybrian. (23/10/07)

Clattenburg

I don't believe what I saw yesterday. Is Battenburg the bastard son of Clive Thomas or what? The fat spanish waiter/Max (not Paddy) definitely must have paid the cunt. Tony. (23/10/07)

Derby Refereeing

One aspect not mentioned by the Press and other media that calls into question the relationship of Clattenburg with the shite is that when Steven Gerrard was substituted, he made a point of walking over to the ref to shake his hand. I’ve not seen other players who are substituted doing this, even when trying to run down the clock. Was it to say “job well done” or “keep up the good work”!?

I must admit that I’ve seen some biased refs in the past and Everton Liverpool derbies have seen their fair share, which makes me wonder if all their money is spent on players or a bit is directed to refs? You can accept the odd decision but Clattenburg was consistent throughout the game. Ron Atkinson. (23/10/07)

Moyes Derby Selection

Moyes does it again making the right hand side of midfield very weak, putting more pressure on Tony Hibbert and Arteta, from Phil Neville. Hibbert constantly has no outlet and gets poor balls under pressure from the afore mentioned Neville. Jags and Neville too weak and not inventive enough to play together. My suggestion would be to play Hibbert, Stubbs, Lescott, Baines, Osman, Yobo, Arteta, Pienaar, Yak and Anichebe. Given the small squad. Subs Neville, Jags, Jimmy, Van, and goalie. This would ensure a very strong spine which can easily be changed to compensate for injuries etc and maybe introduce a bit more artistry into the dull selection we saw at the derby. Hopefully we can get all of the squad fit soon. Just a quick note on the derby its difficult enough playing 9-10 against 11 but against 12 its impossible. Joanne Haran. (23/10/07)

Video Refs

Typical comment from Benitez. sounds like the one from Dalglish when Ratcliffe scored in the derby. So he can't even acknowledge, like the TV pundits do. That they were lucky when Carragher fouled Lescott right in front of referee Clattenburg...

It's time to bring in video refs. I don't care if the game takes longer, at least it will be right. UEFA won't like it as it will not favour the champions league favourites, and the big money brands. We all see it later anyway, and feel cheated. and whoever said 'it even its
self out over time', well that's bollocks. you can lose leagues, go out of cups, and get relegated by those sort of decisions. Remember its a big money game now. Mick. (23/10/07)

The Derby

I'm disappointed but not despondent. However, I'm heartbroken with the result - to say the referee changed the course of the game would be an understatement. Everton were rightfully on top in the first 53 minutes of the game.
1.Tony Hibbert's foul didn't merit a sending off - Gerrard (who nearly ended Gary Naysmith's career in 2002) the 'slut' is equally culpable. He simulated.
2.How did Dirk Kuyt stay on the pitch after his two footed lunge on Phil Neville which the lad jumped over? (Patrick Vieira got sent off after appearing to kick out at Ruud van Nistelrooy on 21st Sept 2003)
3.If the infringement on Joleon Lescott wasn't clear cut the first time, how about the next one by Carragher second time around, deep into stoppages?
4. How many times have Yakubu and Anichebe been thrown around the ground and the referee had missed it?
5.The Liverpool (I hate to even write this name, but I had to) players deserves to be rapped with their manic celebrations after the final whistle - it smacks of utter disrespect and being unprofessional.
6.Mark Clattenburg should hang himself (He had also denied Andrew Johnson a clear cut penalty against Jens Lehmann on March 18th 2007).

Who likes Liverpool? I have lost all respect for that football club. I shall never talk to anyone of them bar my close friends. Heaven forbid should my partner is going to be a Reds fan. Thank you and regards. Jiing Yih. Singapore. (23/10/07)

Gerrard The Coward

Gerard showed himself for the coward he is. Speaking to the referee after a dive reminiscent of a jurgen klinsmen goal scoring celebration. Although he plays for the shite I have always admired him as a footballer but he has shown his true colours as a cheat! As for Max, does the shite canteen put something in the food. His comments yesterday claiming that it was a penalty on gerard, (foul started outside the box if indeed it was a foul), Kuyt only deserved a yellow card (which he probably feels was a bit harsh as his kick would of only made contact below the head, and Lescotts penalty appeal (the second of which he was Judo style thrown to the ground by Jesus himself) was an elaborate dive where by he cunningly made J.C. look like he had him in a half Nelson. I've got to admit, I never thought you could surpass Houlier (aka inspector cluesaue) but this whopper is doing his level best. Just one last shout, Phil Neville, found his position, England's Number 1! Paul McEwan. (23/10/07)

There For The Taking

The shite were there for the taking. They where in bits for a good part of the game. Gerrard talks the ref into sending off Hibbert and the penalty results in them getting back in it. Natural reaction by the hand of Neville but costly. Oh and why was nothing given for Carragher pulling down Lescott in the very last minute? D.Mac. Blue Forever. (23/10/07)

The Derby

Fucking robbed. JD, Brisbane. (23/10/07)

Nuremberg Pubs

I worked in Nuremberg for 18 months and found a great bar called the Kings arms. It's in the centre next to a train station and trams that will get you straight the game. The ales cheap and its right next to the red light. Got to be worth a visit. Here's the web site address. the-kings-arms.de
Adrian Halewood. (23/10/07)

The Diary

Brilliant idea boys brilliant - The Diary! See you in Nuremburg :) Johnny Hanley. BBC Radio Cumbria/Ladbrokes. (23/10/07)

Serious Business

After Saturday's disgraceful refereeing performance from Mark Clattenburg at Goodison Park, isn't it about time that Football Clubs initiated independent enquiries into the cheats ruining the game of football.

I'm not interested in what the spineless idiots that run the FA and Premiership have to say, they will protect their own interests whatever. I don't want any more insincere apologies from Keith Hackett the refs boss, as he obviously has own own agenda.

Football is a massive industry now, there is no getting away from that fact. Decisions are being made that cost Football Clubs millions of pounds without any accountability or redress.

Everton Football Club should be the Club that drives this initiative. Hire the best lawyers we can get and drive a massive hole through the incompetence that is prevalent in the great game.

This probably sounds like sour grapes and probably would be interpreted as such because of the result on Saturday. But, should the honest and right decisions have been made I wouldn't be writing this now.

I usually have no axe to grind with refs whatsoever, but the refereeing as a whole this season has been unbelievable.

Referees should carry out their duties with honesty and integrity, this has been sadly lacking recently.

Why does Davey Moyes need to present dossiers to Hackett. This clown should know already that his employees can't do their jobs properly. Hollow apologies count for nothing. Hackett admitted last season that should have been given at least ten penalties. That could have been worth at least a place in the Champions League all things considered.

If you read these posts Blue Bill or Big Keith, you really should consider legal redress for performances like Clattenburg's yesterday. I'm afraid I disagree with the adage that these things balance themselves out during the season.

This tells us we are meant to tolerate poor performance and ineptitude for one game game because we are guaranteed the same later in the season. Pathetic. It's usually the people that benefit, that use this to placate the victim

I can tell you now, if the decisions had gone the other way the goons that run the Premiership would be jumping through hoops to rectify these problems. About that there is no doubt whatsoever. Hansen would have been seething instead of laughing his tits off with Shearer and Lineker on MOTD last night.

This leads me to video evidence. Well it's already being used whenever a match is televised it takes seconds to rerun the tape should there be any doubt regarding an incident during the game. Again I disagree with the people that refuse to introduce this technology. To rerun the tape when the cheats are rolling all over the pitch would not be 'stopping the flow of the game'.

Video technology is not required at all when two footed lunges are witnessed by everybody in the ground, including the referee. This might sound like a bitter rant, but if Clubs are happy for this continue, please tell me because I'm sure there is something else I can be doing instead of screaming at poor officials on a Saturday. Concerned. COYB. Eddieparkend. (22/10/07)

Match Report

Is there any way of getting hold of a referee's match report, if not Clattenberg can cut out the middleman and shove it straight up his own arse, that's if he can find it the blind twat, unless of course Stevie G is knocking about and he maybe he can point it out to him just like he pointed out that the card he was holding was yellow; if that isn't the height of being a cunt (and there was a lot of competition on Saturday Clattenberg, Kuyt and Carragher take a bow), I don't know what is...down to 10 men (Dirk 'Jackie Chan' Kuyt inexplicably still on the pitch) we
battled on, down to 9 (Dirk 'Chuck Norris'' Kunt slotting the pen despite being the Toxic Avenger), we battled on, and right at the death when it appeared we would get SOMETHING from the ref that cheatin', foulin, shit(e)head Carragher decides to show everyone (but the ref apparently), his best Brian Jacks impression; lets hope the Grav is back for our next encounter because the gloves are fucking most definitely OFF! Couldn't agree more with Moyesy when he said if the referee couldn't see that was a penalty he should ask himself if he is up to the job at all. Rise above it at work next week with a smile and a middle finger, they're not worth getting the sack over; never forget 'one Evertonian, is worth twenty liverpudlians'. *Blue Bill Cannie* (22/10/07)

Not Good Enough

Just because Clattenburg may have as well been wearing a red shirt with Stevie G La on the back doesn't hide the fact that we were shite. This was the weakest looking Shite side to come to Goodison for many a year and they were there for the taking. But Moyesy bottled it again. Even when the big slow Finn aged 106 blasted one in the net for us we couldn't capitalise. If the Redshite ref had given us a pen for the Patriot's WWF wrestling move on Roger it would have been the only time one of our players worked Pepe the Clown in 94 minutes of football, most of it alehouse. Not good enough, Moyes. And don't start me on that muppet Hibbert or that lazy overpriced bastard Yakubu. Great site. Come on you Blues! Kensington Blue. (22/10/07)

Where you disgusted with the standard of refereeing at the Derby match?

Do you think that referee chief Keith Hackett owes David Moyes an apology and should suspend Mark Clattenburg?

Are you mystified as to why Keith Hackett suspended Rob Styles and apologised to LFC after the Chelsea game in August yet no announcement is made regarding the standard of refereeing at the derby?

Do you consider this biased towards LFC?

Surely we can do something about this? We can. We can fill the email inbox of the FA with thousands of individual complaints to be addressed by the FA's Customer Relations team who strive to respond within five working days of receipt issues raised on their official feedback website.

So, please, please, please take just 1 minute of your time to do the following.

* Go to the website http://www.thefa.com/feedback/ It is the official FA page to register feedback.

* Click on the button 'create/recover FAN' to be found bottom right of the page.

* Register for a 'FAN number' and remember your password.

* Go back to the website http://www.thefa.com/feedback/

* For the subject box either put 'Referee bias towards Liverpool Football Club' or similar

* Retrieve your FAN number from your own email inbox sent by the FA

* Enter your password

* Either offer your own disgust of the poor standard of refereeing at the derby or copy and past the following and click 'submit'

Dear F.A.

Please address the following complaint as I consider a gross charge of favouritism being offered by English F.A. referees towards Liverpool Football Club. Allow me to explain.

Following a precedent set by the referees chief Keith Hackett in August 2007, Mr Hackett announced to the press that he has officially telephoned the manager of Liverpool Football Club and left a message on his answer phone to apologise for the standard of refereeing at the Liverpool versus Chelsea game. As a result of the poor standard of refereeing the match official for the game, Rob Styles, was suspended for the following weekend.

It is my opinion that this is a procedure that must now be repeated at each subsequent high profile game where the result is affected by poor refereeing or a charge of favouritism must be labelled against Mr Hackett.

I now refer to the match Everton versus Liverpool at Goodison Park on 20th, October 2007. Referee Mark Clattenburg awards a penalty to Liverpool for a foul committed outside of the penalty area. At this point it is understandable that the action happens so fast and that a referee has to make a decision immediately so a borderline decision without the use of video technology may be proved incorrect given time for action replays. However the referee made his decision and we have to agree with it. The referee then makes a decision to issue a yellow card for the offence. It is obvious that Mark Clattenburg knows exactly which pocket within his shorts he keeps his yellow card. He removes the card from his pocket and is waiting to issue the card to the Everton player. A Liverpool player then clearly speaks to the referee to acknowledge his disgust at the decision not to issue a red card and Mark Clattenburg then returns his yellow card to the pocket of his shorts and produces a red card from the breast pocket of his shirt. This is a decision made after he had formed his own opinion for punishment but then a professional player, who should take a referee's decision as final, made such a comment as to persuade Mark Clattenburg to change his mind in favour of his team.

* Is this a poor standard of refereeing?

* Is this favouritism towards one club?

* Does this look like favouritism from a neutral respective view?

Later in the same game a Liverpool player tackles an Everton player with such a viscous, uncontrolled manner that he could not only injure a player resulting with a broken leg, he could also have ended the player's playing career such was the style (high, two footed jump with studs showing from both boots). The player was booked, not sent off.

* Could/should the Everton players have persuaded the referee to issue a red card for this tackle?

* Should the referee have changed his mind having listened to the Everton players?

* Is it another show of favouritism towards Liverpool Football Club?

* Does this look like favouritism from a neutral respective view?

As a result of the player being allowed to stay on the pitch this affected the result of the match as Liverpool still had a one man advantage and the player in question was the player who took a penalty later in the game.

Within this match Everton had two penalty appeals turned down by Mark Clattenburg. It is obvious that these appeals were more warranted when compared to the Chelsea penalty awarded in the August match that resulted in Keith Hackett issuing an apology to Liverpool Football Cub and Rob Styles' subsequent suspension. Yet to date no announcement to the press has been made by Keith Hackett to offer an apology towards David Moyes of Everton Football Club for the poor level of refereeing.

* Has an apology not been made because Keith Hackett does not wish to upset Liverpool Football Club?

* Is Keith Hackett biased towards Liverpool Football Club?

* Is this another case of favouritism towards Liverpool Football Club?

* Will an apology be made to David Moyes of Everton Football Club? (If not, why not?)

* Why was an apology made by Keith Hackett in August with an announcement to the press?

* Does this look like favouritism from a neutral respective view?

We have here a clear case of bias towards Liverpool Football Club.

* Apologies issued

* Suspensions made

* A referee changing his decisions after consultation with players from Liverpool Football Club

* No announcement to the press regarding an apology issued towards other managers or their teams

* No apology offered to Everton Football Club for the poor standard of refereeing

Do you agree with my comments? I await your reply with interest.

Gwladys. (22/10/07)

Daily Mirror

I’ve sent today a response to Derek “ Red Shite” McGoverns cheap dig at Joleon Lescott in todays mirror. I was going to respond following last weeks dig about us being in the UEFA cup, but decided against it. Though you might be interested in my comments.

Dear Mr McGovern,

I had written the enclosed email last week following yet another cheap dig at my club, but decided against sending it, as I wasn’t sure if you were in fact a Liverpool fan. Following today’s little outburst aimed at Joleon Lescott, it is fairly obvious that you are from the darkside.
Even if Andy Johnson had played and scored a hat trick and England had lost 4 – 3, I’m sure you would have found space in your column to bemoan the missed chance to make it 4 – 4 !!!!!! .
As we all know, the Ericcson and Mclaren era will be best known for playing people out of position, and especially when injuries occur, rather than substituting a midfielder for a midfielder, or in this case, a left back for a left back, they both seem to have a master plan in changing the whole shape of the team to accommodate one player, which inevitably leads to a negative result.
We all like our players to earn national caps but only when they are given the chance in their natural position. Yes, he has played for Everton at left back last year, but week in week out with the same players. Dont you think that McClaren should have seen this and in such an important game, either played Lescott at centre half or played a natural left back in Nicky Shorey.
I notice that you haven’t paid too much attention to the disgraceful miss by your hero “Stevie G”. At over £100,000 a week would it be too much to ask from Liverpool and England’s superman to have at least hit the target.

Turning to last weeks comments, as a lifelong Evertonian who has enjoyed the highs and lows, admittedly more lows than highs in the recent past, I struggle to see why you constantly see fit to belittle our latest achievement in qualifying for the UEFA cup.

We would obviously love to compete in the Champions League again, and hopefully this is another step closer to regularly achieving this goal.

What you are conveniently forgetting is that if it wasn’t for the European ban on English clubs, we may well have endured the success we deserved for dominating that period in English football. Clearly this was a pivotal period in our history especially as we missed out on the financial rewards that playing at the highest European level brings to a club.

However, in the meantime we are happy, like most other clubs to play in the UEFA cup, and it’s not that long ago that Liverpool were happy to compete in this “lesser competition. Who knows, if King Rafa continues to tinker with your side on a weekly basis, you may well be playing alongside ourselves in a couple of months time and it will be interesting to see how you cope with such a fall of grace !!

At the moment, we don’t have wealthy American’s with a fist full of dollars being thrown at us, and rather than the cheap jibes aimed at Everton, I suggest that you channel your frustrations at your own failings in your teams attempts to step out of the shadow of your nemesis Manchester United, and try and win the premier league. A competition that Liverpool fans clearly feel they have the god given right to win every year.

I look forward to reading your column with interest following tomorrows derby, especially if our “small” club defeats one of America’s finest !!! Yours sincerely. Gareth Thomas. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. (19/10/07)