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71 - Ground Share Special Back
to Your Ground Share - Yes! - San Siro I grew up in an atmosphere where every major city has a shared stadium, so for me it is normal. I was actually surprised when I came to England with Newcastle and realised that nobody shared. Everyone had their own stadia. To me that didn't seem right or sensible. But there can be problems. There have been examples of supporters tearing out seats in some stadia in derby matches, because their rivals usually use those seats, even though it is their own stadium. The fans can create a problem, which is bad, but that is not a common problem. Although I believe Juventus are actually looking at the possibility now of owning their own stadium, rather than share with Torino. We have our own individual dressing rooms. There is one for Inter and one for AC, and whenever Inter were at home the visiting team would use the AC dressing room. It is a system which works very well. I certainly felt that the San Siro was my stadium. I didn't feel like I was sharing it with anybody else. They have blue and red seats inside the stadium, but they are split equally between 70,000 people. As a player you definitely feel like it is your stadium. And obviously with two wealthy clubs involved they are able to make it bigger and better than they would normally be able to afford. There is certainly not a situation where one club has prior-ity over the other. It is not really a big deal in Italy." Alassandro Pistone. (19/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! Before I start, I will just say that there is no debate to be had- Everton must join with them across the park!!!!!!! The only way to continue our move forward is to build a new 55,000+ stadium, the only way we are going to do this is by GROUNDSHARING with L*&^(%))l. This will be the best and the ONLY affordable way we will be able to afford such a scheme, a scheme which will be given the backing of European and public funds. You only have to look at the Milan clubs- they HATE each other yet they share arguably the best football stadium in the world, which was also mostly funded by the Italian government. I would go as far to say there is even more rivalry now than ever between the two sets of supporters as each try to claim the ground as their "own". I love my club and to the bitter end we must all push for this groundshare to happen, lets forget arguments of naming stands, colour of seats or "home" ends, its all irrelevant. The city needs this development, as a focal point and as a banner for all things that can be great for the city in the future. Lets step forward from our own shadows, this option cannot go away without being brought to the fans of both clubs and not just discussed at boardroom levels. We are the greatest club in the world, it seems only right that we should play in the best stadium also. C'mon the blues. Wayne Kingwell - Season ticket holder. (19/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! Thanks
for the article, Mickey. As a blue
who despises the dark side with a vengeance (going back to when they had
their rightful place in division two) it is hard to imagine sharing a
ground with them but it makes sense. I am pleased that the groundshare
idea is starting to appear again. Lets get it discussed and developed
properly. I would go as far as suggesting that our dear council should
say to both clubs YOU WILL only get planning permission to build one stadium
equally shared. Lets be imaginative with a stadium with a capacity of
80K and have many of the innovations that we would have seen at the Kings
Dock. My biggest worry My concern with ground sharing is that the stadium would be considered the shite's stadium more to the outsider than Everton's. I could envisage articles in foreign press expressing wonderment at 'Liverpool's New Stadium' with a side note, 'oh, Everton play there too!' Because to be quite honest, how many people relate the San Siro to AC more than Inter? Stuart. Holland. (19/09/03) Ground share - NO It is far too easy to look at the immediate financial benefits (for who?) of ground sharing but I believe both clubs would lose an important part of their identity. The magic of supporting a club should not be dismissed too lightly! I mean, what attracts someone to support Everton when Liverpool are so close by and (for 30 years now) generally more successful? A lot of reasons I know, to everyone brought up with 2 separate places of worship but what about the future generations? It might be the welcome at Goodison, the history of Goodison, the independence of the club, a proud defiance possibly - much of it is intangible, adding to the mystique of Everton, the Peoples Club. It is special the way it is now and must not be taken for granted - 2 giants separated by Stanley park it is simply magic. Also, how much better will our lives be as supporters moving into shared accommodation after having a superb, if aged, ground of our own? The Milan argument cuts no ice with me, I bet the fans of both clubs dream of having their own grounds. It's not just an English thing either thing the Spanish giants don't share. If you don't attend games, but have an allegiance to Liverpool or Everton, it possibly doesn't matter where they play therefore any debate must involve paying supporters. Personally I hope the board bide their time now and wait for the right opportunity to move or preferably redevelop Goodison Park in a manner which protects Everton's heritage and independence. Wakey. (16/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! Go for it .....lets face it goodison is now a dinosaur and its the only way we will be able to afford a new ground ....there's no money knocking around in football now unless your chelsea. the ground share would put both clubs on a sound financial footing. Oco. (11/09/03) To be honest i would rather we went bust than share with them, the money men are right about everything the only thing they have forgot about is the fans and without us there is no point in having a ground. Sharon Murry. (10/09/03) Ground Share - No! Not a problem - EFC glad to take site as designed previously - red shite to proceed 200m into the river and set up camp there - we will send more boatloads of supporting red shite to drown alongside them. PS Don't be so f***king stupid as to offer a ground share again! K. London. (10/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! - San Siro I've lived near Milan for 17 years and it has been a pleasure to go to a top ground to watch the football. Fans in Milan do not have the slightest problem with sharing the Meazza stadium so if the ground sharing idea is a possibility for Everton and Liverpool, I see it only as a good thing for everybody involved. Mike Field. (10/09/03) Ground Share - Yes As a blue who has enjoyed some comic, tragic and memorable times in Goodison I would miss the ground without question. I was angry when the KD plan fell through but also relieved as it appeared it was not being done on the clubs terms. You always got the impression the club would be spending every last penny it had, which never amounted to much anyway. The City of Manchester Stadium was a good idea and one I could live with should the Blues want to move forward with LFC and the City in a three way partnership. However I would want it to have some character and not seat fans half a mile from the pitch! A running track and the ability to use it for concerts would also help to bring in the revenue to keep the stadium from decaying. I have seen the icliverpool and the bbci (Liverpool) debate, I am yet to see a decent argument against going with this idea on either message board. You get the usual comments from angry heads calling LFC the RS etc but the fact remains that having a modern ground will be expensive and I do not see how either club can justify the funds on two separate stadiums. Looking at it from the City Councils point of view, I don't see how they can authorise the building of two stadiums either. Both stadiums will use European funding from the northwest area so either way, someone more needy will probably lose out. A "super stadium" split blue and red with a neutral section for away supporters would surely do the job. The size of the thing could easily accommodate hospitality etc for both clubs. Historically, the plans LFC have for Stanley park would appear perfect for a football/sports village including a museum and a hotel/sports complex. However I would rather it be somewhere unique, like the dockside. The thought of Rooney lifting the premiership in front of 50,000 - 60,000 blues or putting one over Liverpool in front of 30,000 - 40,000 of their supporters would be amazing, with the world watching on the banks of the Mersey. The only obstacle to this vision is bricks and mortar and the board, Davey Moyes will do the rest! Its name would also be an issue for both sets of supporters, as a blue would not want to go to a "City of Liverpool Stadium" so I would prefer something neutral like "the bowl" or something of that ilk! Overall though I doubt this will go ahead as I just don't believe the clubs or the city have the balls to do it. Shame really as it would put football in Liverpool back on the map and release/generate massive amounts of cash for the clubs and the city whilst giving something back to the people of the city. Both clubs came out of the same city, area and ground, we have a history of connection through board members and supporters - if someone can provide a decent argument against, without rhetoric... I'm all ears, otherwise, could the board make a decision, then change it to the opposite - they may then get it right for once! Andrew Mackenzie. (10/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! - San Siro 2 I was
lucky enough to go to the San Siro a couple of years ago to watch the
Milan derby and can categorically state that both Milan clubs supporters
still hate each other just as much as we hate our neighbours from across
the park. Merseyside IS unique in the UK, no other city could realistically
share a stadium between 2 such huge clubs and retain their own unique
history and heritage like we can. Only by sharing a stadium could we have
a San Siro on Merseyside, it is worth it!!!!! Ground Share - No! I'm all
for our city becoming recognised for culture, and behind any case supporting
re development... however, sharing a ground with them ? I don't think
so... i'd rather watch Everton play on Stanley Park and would gladly offer
my jumper as a goalpost !! Ground Share - No! My arse! Oooh, I know, we can share players and shirts and EVERYTHING!!!! Best idea I've heard in ages..........do these people SHARE a brain? Paul Hutchinson. (09/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! More on the team which is what we all want. If it can work abroad why not over here? It is at least worth examining the proposals with an open mind. Paul Weaver. (09/09/03) "Why did Everton leave Anfield all those years ago? Because the architect of the Red Shite got greedy and wanted to squeeze us for more money. I can only see one outcome for a ground share because the Red Shite always revert to type, the deal would be unequal, they would invest more money upfront and seek to obtain an advantage over Everton and history will repeat itself. For Steve Broomhead at NWDA it makes perfect sense because he lives in a world where harmony and good public relations prevails, particularly in time for 2008 CoC. There is only two ways it could work and both are impossible: i) A complete 50/50 ownership split - impossible because Everton couldn't raise a smile in a comedy club, let alone £40m+ for the stadium ii) Complete ownership by a 3rd party - the municipal route like Milan's San Siro stadium - impossible to prevent bias because the club with the most financial clout and influence in areas such as the local council will prevail (and we all know who that is?)" Regards. Jason Lloyd. (09/09/03) I know
a great number of people are going to cry out and say ground sharing can't
be done, it mustn't be done or for some other reason. Just remember, football
is a business and where profits and money are concerned it is always possible
to do something. Ground Share - No! Ground share with the red-shite...?! No chance! We already gave them our old ground so why should we share a new one with them...! I'm sure if you ask the Mancs, the 2 big Glasgow clubs or even any of the London teams they'd all so the same thing, NO...! I'd rather jumpers for goal posts than share with the shite...! Stevie P...(09/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! Oh dear not this one again, however, but think on! How much does a new stadium cost? How often do you use it? Not even every saturday! You only had to look at the wales game at the weekend to see the San Siro stadium - another shared one. Magnificent? You bet! Fears and phobias aside, it does seem to make financial sense. I would really miss Goodison, but it is no longer up to date, and now we have had to put a cap on season tickets, we need something bigger. Steve Batchelor. (09/09/03) Ground Share - No! Just read the bit on your site about sharing a ground with the redshite. One word springs to mind for the NWDA "NO" Are they for real?????? Lisa. (09/09/03) Ground Share - Yes! Just to throw my five pence worth in, I will give you the thoughts of a true blue from across the pond. Share a ground with the Red's "NEVER" that's probably the first thing that comes to mind for probably most of the faithful blues. But think about it, we have a superstar in our midst who will attract major attention to the club. We need to have the ability to capitalize on his talents and provide him with more talented players to strengthen the team. Oh yeah were skint! Everton FC needs a new stadium and quickly, with better facilities and amenities to offer the potential corporate sponsors. That's were the money is. We tried to do it alone and look what happened, nothing. If we take the opportunity and build a stadium that will keep both sides happy, the peoples club can only benefit. I spent many happy hours at Goodison park, but it has served its purpose and we need to move forward. If the club wants to regain the glory days we need a first class stadium to do it in. And if we can get the red-shite to foot half the bill then it's a no brainer. Best regards, James O'Hare. (09/09/03) Ground Share - No! They must have hired Ken Dodd, because they're so obviously a bunch of comedians, either that or a bunch of dickheads! No, no way, never!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gareth Robinson. (0909/03) Ground Share - No! Well i don't know bout you but i think its joke to share with the shite, if the manchester can have two great stadiums why cant we? it will be good for capital of culture my arse this is football an EVERTON an l*****pool hate each other with a passion how on earth would this work? i for one wouldn't support the idea. sorry bout the language but this would do my head in badly.....funny site by the way love it. Garry Dobson. (09/09/03) Ground Share - No! You must be winding us up I would rather share my bed with Elton John than share a ground with those horrible bastards, I can't bear the thought of one of those horrors sitting in my precious seat every other week....no... no... fuckin way! L.G. (09/09/03) |