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JAN
21
2012
Blue Union Respond To Bobby E
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Robert Elstone issued his latest blog last week titled 'Where The Money Goes' and The Blue Union took him to task with the latest press release.

We wholeheartedly agree with our Chief Executive when he says supporters have the right to know about THEIR club and here at The Blue Union we'll always strive to uncover the truth about OUR club, despite attempts to prevent us doing so, including the abolition of AGMs, the change in the company's Articles of Association which was designed to make it more difficult for ordinary shareholders to call Extraordinary General Meetings and the almost nepotistic methods employed to comply with the UEFA licensing platform requirement on fan engagement.

The Blue Union October 2011 newsletter, produced some three months before this latest blag, offers a comparable summary of the seasons 2007 to 2011. In chart form, it plots the rise and fall of Everton's fortunes, offers, possibly from an equally uninformed perspective, an identical explanation for those mysterious other operating costs and compares the performances of the directors of Everton, with an average league place of 6th between 2007 and 2011, to the directors of Spurs, whose average was 7th. We invite you all to compare and contrast.

Income

We have no anxious need to discuss five years cumulative figures in a bid to make them look more impressive; we simply show that, over the five year period, annual matchday income is on a slippery slope, £5m lost in the last three years alone, and that the massive £25m increase in media payments has been almost exclusively absorbed by the ever increasing wage demands of a rapidly decreasing squad.

Deloitte explain, when it comes to revenue generation, football clubs conduct a three pronged attack; we've already mentioned matchday and media revenues, the third is commercial revenue and it is in this area that Everton struggle most manifestly against their perceived peers.

Over the past five years we've seen a modest £5m increase in commercial income, from just £7m to £12m, and we can calculate that, due to outsourcing, this 2011 figure is representative of a non-outsourced commercial income of £17m; however it should be remembered that we began outsourcing in 2007, so that figure should also be adjusted which makes the improvement somewhat less impressive.

This is not to say Everton's staff haven't performed well under the circumstances. As ever, the limiting factor is the board's inability to provide resources. Everton were forced to sell their right to generate their own revenue due to an inability [financially] to address their loss making catering and merchandising operations. Potential new owners will no doubt take this severe restriction, on the business, into consideration and they'll hopefully consider returning the club to what is the norm in the Premier League.

Even at £17m our [adjusted] commercial figure is fooling nobody. Using their last available accounts, Liverpool's commercial income was £62m and 2011 will see the inclusion of their £80m four year Standard Chartered shirt sponsor deal, and, despite a decline in fortunes recently, they've now secured a new shirt supplier deal worth £25m per season; a sobering thought for all Evertonians is that Liverpool's commercial income alone will soon eclipse the total turnover of our club. Even humble Bolton managed £17m commercial revenue, so this puts into perspective our commercial performance; a small, town based club, from the back of beyond, has equalled the commercial activity of a club from a major city who are the fourth most successful in the country.

The income statement is relatively easy to understand, yet it is when you begin to examine the club's annual expenditure that you begin to experience a significant degree of ambiguity which is being passed off, in the blog, as a complete and comprehensive explanation at a level no other Premier League club has done before.

The need to explain this expenditure is threefold; firstly there is the long standing mystery over a line in Everton's accounts which is described as "other operating costs", secondly there appears to be a degree of confusion over the money received from Arsenal, as a result of the sale of Mikel Arteta, and the general level of expenditure on players overall and thirdly it is clear that Bill Kenwright is unable to explain anything except for the well rehearsed sound bites delivered through disingenuous interviews.

Other Operating Costs

One reason for the question, "where's the money gone Bill?" are these mysterious and unexplained other operating costs. The only people we know who repeatedly mention the possibility that somebody has their fingers in the till is Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone, nobody to our knowledge has suggested this so we can only assume it's yet another tactic to stop people talking about the other operating costs.

The answer given for £24m of Everton's expenditure is simply misleading and insufficient. The questions being asked involve not just the level of expenditure [one of the many attempts to explain it focused on the similarity with other Premier League clubs, which is true, Spurs for example state their other operating costs as £35m] but, more specifically, the sharp rise in the accounts of 2008, an increase of 95% over the previous year.

This incredible increase of £11m was explained in the 2008 accounts as thus, "Further significant increases in operating costs were also incurred in the year following the opening of the new Finch Farm training facility." These operating costs have stayed at this level ever since; in fact they've risen by a further million, so over the four years we're talking about additional expenditure of £46m; an absolutely incredible sum of money we think you'll agree.

In 2007 "other operating costs" were £12m. The operation of Bellefield and the academy facilities cost less than £3m. With the greatest of respect, it does not cost £14m [£3m +£11m] per annum to operate a leased building and some fields and the explanation in 2008 was grossly inadequate. Take a hard look at Robert Elstone's 2012 explanations; how many of the costs, he describes, are applicable to Finch Farm as specified in the 2008 accounts?

The explanations for the 95% increase in costs have been varied; from medical equipment and supplies, to lawnmowers, to carpets. We are fully aware that lighting rigs and their UV bulbs cost an absolute fortune [you can see how many Goodison has; they're parked where the Goodison Place development should be]; but let's not pretend that Robert Elstone's explanation of this massive increase in expenditure is "complete and comprehensive"; it remains far from it.

Elstone: 'Costs such as the maintenance of Goodison, utility bills, rates, insurance, police costs, security, travel, marketing, food and drink bills in our lounges, academy, scouting and medical expenses were all present in the 2007 accounts and the many and varied explanations simply does not explain the 95% increase in a single year.'

These many and varied explanations are what brings about and increases suspicion over what is contained within those costs. KEIOC tell us that the suspicion over Kirkby was intensified when finances and costs were unexplainable and the suspicion was warranted when the truth over the plan was revealed during the public inquiry.

Player Expenditure

Many fans may have raised an eyebrow at Robert Elstone's explanation that David Moyes has received a net transfer sum of £35mover the course of the last five years, it's actually not beyond the realms of possibility that Mr Moyes would join them. However, one look at the accounts proves that this figure is correct. The cashflow statement in the accounts from 2007 to 2011 confirms Robert Elstone's explanation; the difference in the purchase and from the proceeds of the sale of intangible fixed assets [players] is indeed £35m, so it must be true, mustn't it?

Ask any Evertonian, journalist, or any football fan on the planet, what was the value of players bought by Everton last season and you'll get the same answer; nil, nothing, nada.

Ask Robert Elstone however and he'll tell you £11m; because, as CEO, he'll talk about spend and that's what is in the accounts. The accounts record the money that is being paid out on staged payments for players, they're historical records that do not represent what is happening on the pitch because, whilst the arrival or departure of a player has an immediate effect on the team, buying or selling has a delayed effect on the accounts.

The fact is Everton, irrespective of what the accounts say, have bought nobody for two years until the recent £500,000 signing of Darron Gibson. The squad is made up of ageing players, loan players, bargain buys and products of the academy that rarely play; that is why Evertonians describe it as a threadbare squad and it is no doubt something that a prospective owner will need to address as the current owners are unable to provide the resources to tackle the problem; their plan is to get somebody to say it doesn't exist.

The blog conveniently uses the combined five year cashflow figures on how much was spent on intangible assets to disguise the facts. And the facts are that we've underinvested in the squad for the past two years and we have the smallest squad in the division. Using historical financial activity to explain what is happening at the moment is fooling nobody. We have been champions of England on nine occasions and we are the fourth most successful in the country; does that mean we're going to win the league anytime soon? To find the answer to that question you wouldn't ask an accountant.

Robert Elstone makes a concerted effort to explain away the facts behind the sale of Mikel Arteta; he ignores facts such as the Mikel Arteta interview were he alluded to Everton's need for money, he ignores the leaked emails from the summer where Ian Ross is saying we need to sell players and he ignores the fact that even David Moyes himself believes the Mikel Arteta money went to the bank and he thought everybody knew!

The predictable accountancy explanation for the rapidly disappearing Arteta money becomes embarrassing when the blame gets laid at everybody's feet other than those responsible; including a ridiculous claim that income is being sabotaged by some unknown and unnamed party.

In paragraph eight of the blag the increasingly desperate Robert Elstone explains that the £35m spent on players was partially funded by the sale of Bellefield; but in the 2010 accounts Everton's company secretary, Martin Evans, who is legally and professionally obliged to give an accurate account of proceeding at Everton, stated that the money from the sale of Bellefield went to the bank.

It would appear that Mr Elstone, in his eagerness to protect the chairman and the board, is at odds with the statements of players, fellow employees and even the manager himself. The balance of evidence would appear not to favour his explanation.

Our colleagues from KEIOC inform us that three years ago they predicted the exact financial situation that Everton finds itself in now and when they put the scenario to Robert Elstone he informed them it would never happen because Everton employed experts. Experts in what field exactly wasn't explained.

Robert Elstone concludes that his blog is the complete and comprehensive explanation of Everton's financial position, but it's not; it's just an accountant's version of events and this is another. We'll leave it up to you to decide whose is the more accurate. Our position is that Robert Elstone is using historical facts to camouflage the true financial position of Everton Football Club.

The ambition of Robert Elstone and this board is exemplified in their belief that sixth is representative of success; well the Everton we all follow has the motto Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, not Nil Sixth.

The objective of the blog is to move attention away from the root cause of Everton's problem; the board, comprising of Bill Kenwright, Robert Earl, Jon Woods and Sir Philip Carter. The role of the board is to provide resources, ensure corporate governance and set strategy.  Everton's board provides no resources, either through strategy, that would generate income, or through personal investment that would be designed to encourage commercial growth. A study of owners financing of mid-table clubs over five years reveals Bolton £85m, Sunderland £125m, Aston Villa £138m, Wigan £50m, Fulham £75m, Newcastle £140m and Everton absolutely zero.

Everton's board has invested nothing; not only over those five years, but over all the years they have been in power; years that have resulted in the clubs decline. They have no strategy except to sell the club and, with regard to ensuring corporate governance, some shareholders have been attempting to examine the actions of the board, if any, by requesting the minutes from the alleged board meetings; unsurprisingly, to date, the club have not been forthcoming.

The explanatory blog is indeed full of facts from the company accounts; well here's a few more facts from the accounts that have been left out. During Bill Kenwright's tenure there has been over £55m wiped from the balance sheet whilst the net debt has more than doubled to £47m, all assets have been disposed of or mortgaged, millions have been wasted on abortive stadium relocation schemes and accumulative losses of more than £54m have been limited only through the sale of inherited assets such as Rooney, Dunne, Jeffers and Bellefield.

We believe that our simple solution can put an end to what is a tragedy for all matchgoing Evertonians. We're asking Bill Kenwright to do the right thing for the club for once, the club he tells you he loves but is clearly running into the ground.

It's Time For Change.

The Blue Union'

The next Blue Union meeting is next Wednesday 25th Jan 2012 7pm at Casa, Hope St

 

 

 

 

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Comments about Blue Union Respond To Bobby E
 
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Already we can see by the comments on here that it is a minority of bu idiots on here who support this crap for all proper fans of Everton fc let them get on with it as we know who the real supporters are and we will support our boys and manager and the board until such time as it changes. Remember the time when Johnson had it and if it was not for blue bill we would be in a much worse situation so Blue Kipper get rid of the bu of this site and give it back to us who abide by EFC. coyb
Nick Brown, Grantham, 7:44 PM 22/01/2012
 
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Paul (Childwall), you need to learn what slander is. Thats my opinion of Dave, he is a dullard of the highest order. Makes me cringe to think he supports the same side as me. As for the 'proper fans' remark, that is typical of the rubbish we here from BU supporters. Were all blues, we dont need to hear this BS rammed down our throats from big egos who are after 5 mins of fame and then slag off supporters who dont agree with them. They are a disgrace to the majority support and always will be
Si C, Liverpool, 5:27 PM 22/01/2012
 
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Deluded( liverpool2) I am a 45 yr old blue who's had a season Tkt for 38 yrs who goes every game not a few, some, but every away game. I ve been to wembley loads of times, so your 3 times point makes no sense.If you are so deluded by name and nature that you can't see that our club is sliding in to oblivion then stick with it mate. Why the foul language of blue union shame on you, or is it because you know blue union are fighting for PROPER fans so that rules you out. Si c as for your slandering of a good honest PROPER blue Dave Kelly shame on you too. Is that because of your shame as well because he's fighting for the PROPER fans like me
Paul, Childwall, 2:59 PM 22/01/2012
 
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B U or no BU we are in trouble and someone has got to do something.
Paul, Plymouth, 2:42 PM 22/01/2012
 
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Paul Childwall and Philly Dovecot, how can you claim that BU represent the 'MAJORITY' of Evertonians and that every 'PROPER' fan supports them when clearly from the comments on sites like this there is about a 90/10% split with the 90 AGAINST BU. I've had a season ticket for a total of 14 years (as a 25 year old I'd say thats a fairly long time, more than half my life) been to countless away games, wembley three times and followed the blues home and away in Europe too, I consider myself a 'PROPER' fan and I dont support the BU, nor do any of the other season ticket holders who sit near me. Your narrow minded comments show exactly what is wrong with BU, you assume because you and one of your dickhead mates support BU then obviously everybody else does, you clearly dont possess the required 0.5 brain cells it takes to realise other people can have different opinions and like so many others have commented below you dont have the nouse to realise your pathetic so called union is not helping anybody but just causing disrupt and anxiety amongst the fans. Totally agree with L in London, if you spent more time supporting the club rather than protesting we might start picking up more points, look at Blackburn for a perfect example of this. Their fans start easing off on their anti-kean protests and they start picking up more points, point in case.
Deluded, Liverpool, 2:17 PM 22/01/2012
 
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You clowns on here seriously need to wake up! Are you happy with the club being mortgaged to the hilt? Scraping around for signings like rejects from the German second division and being outspent by teams like Stoke etc. These clowns are killing the club and need ousting ASAP. You lot on here would still probably back Billy bullshit when he sells Rodwell and Barkley and claim he's doing best by the club because he is a 'blue.' And why is it a 'kopite' thing to do when protesting? Loads of clubs fans do it when they've had enough! And how is asking questions 'harassing' Billy liar? The antagonising prick stands there with a smirk and claims the BU have betrayed the club...kettle, pot, black!!! He is put the club in to debt and now wants to be bailed out with a huge profit for himself, what a twat. This board couldn't run a playschool...anyone remember getting Nyarko on a 5 year deal but with a 4 year work permit? Classic. Anyway, this probably won't get shown because it seems Blue Kipper is in Billy's pocket.
James, Leigh, 2:00 PM 22/01/2012
 
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Paul from Childwall, ok lets say we all support the blue union deluded idiots for a min. What changes? Answer sweet FA. The BU have come up with nothing progressive and never will. If we support them, do we automatically get a buyer......nope. If we support them does this mean Moyes will have money to spend.....nope. They bring nothing to the party other than disruption, just media whores after their 5 mins of fame especially the gormless leader of the bunch Dave Kelly who makes a statue look like it has more life and charm
Si C, Liverpool, 1:22 PM 22/01/2012
 
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Blueboots says he hasn't spoke to anyone who supports blue union.he must not be speaking to enough fans, because I go too every game and every PROPER fan I know supports blue union. Will all you blue union haters out there still support them pair of liars kenwright and elstone when we are playing the likes of Barnsley and Ipswich next year cause that's where we are going under their regime.While I have not been moyes biggest supporter this season, but how can he run our club when he has to sell players who have been quality players and replace them with crap like Dennis, gueye,McFadden and possibly the worst of the lot drenthe. Can anyone out there tell me our more boring team than us, thought not. But keep supporting blue bill while we slide in too oblivion
Paul, Childwall, 12:30 PM 22/01/2012
 
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john h well said couldnt agree more and by the way blueboots every everton fan i know wants this great board of ours gone so the blue union are speaking for us the majority of evertonians just coz we cant be arsed to march doesnt mean we dont agree with what they say when all of you blue bill supporters leave school the penny might drop OUR BOARD GIVE OUR CLUB NOTHING FACT
philly, dovecot, 9:45 AM 22/01/2012
 
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why dont the blue union join the labour party they disrupt the country hence the word UNION. it seems to me anything with the name UNION in it has to make a stance or strike but dont you and the public sector realise YOU ARE GETTING NOWHERE WITH ALL THIS CRAP YOU KEEP WRITING ABOUT. we need to get behind moyesy and the lads and keep cheering them as this is what they need not the bu doom and gloom
nick brown, grantham, 9:02 AM 22/01/2012
 
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If the BU put the same effort into actually SUPPORTING the team as they do into writing puffed-up economically-illiterate drivel like this and organising marches for clowns and illegally taping private conversations and childishly harassing the chairman in the car park and stopping us moving to a new free stadium paid by Tescos and whinging whinging whinging and depressing the whole atmosphere around the club(which would scare off any potential new owners) - if instead of doing all that they actually SUPPORTED the club, I reckon we'd be 20 points clear at the top of the league. But they won't. Because they are idiots. If the BU ever got the chance to put their moronic ideas into practice we would be in League One within 5 years. Please please just do one, Blue Union. Go. Away.
L, London, 3:23 AM 22/01/2012
 
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BU you are talking shit. You say it does not cost £14m per annum to operate a leased building and some fields, firstly how do you know? How many of you have ever operated a state of the art training facility? Also, Elstone doesnt say every penny of the £11m was down to Finch farm, he just said there was a 'significant increase'. As for the 'sabotaged' income he doesnt say there is an unknown, unnamed party, he explains it as a reduction in ticket sales, programme sales and other matchday income (food, drink etc.) Sabotage doesnt literally mean a person has gone and physically destroyed it, in this case it just means the revenues from them streams have been affected. You even contradict yourselves when talking about payer expenditure, you say everybody will tell you the value of players bought by Everton last season was nil and elstone will tell you £11m, you then actually explain yourselves how that £11m is money owed from transfers in previous seasons, so elstone isn't claiming £11m worth of players bought last season, he is claiming £11m was owed from previous years and was paid, which is true. Your pathetic 'union' is actually doing just the opposite, it is 'dividing' the club and causing more harm than good.
Paul H, Walton, 2:57 AM 22/01/2012
 
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They're not "fighting for what they believe in" they're just saying out loud what everybody knows: that we are skint and upset by the fact we are skint. The result of this public moaning is to set a divide amongst fans, by splitting us into "pro-Blue Union" and "against - Blue Union". Yes, it is thoroughly heart wrenching to watch our club slowly drift down the league, but what can the Board do differently? Invest? With what? The Blue Union point out that Bolton took in similar levels of commercial revenue to us, and from a nostalgic point of view, that is unacceptable. However, in recent terms, Everton Football Club, it is sad to say, has not achieved anything more than Bolton have. They've won nothing in the Premier League era, bar the 95 FA cup. To an outside business man, we are not an attractive proposition. It is not necessarily the board's fault. We share the city with Liverpool, a team who, historically are more successful and more marketable and known worldwide. Its relatively easy to set up a huge sponsorship deal with them, as they have huge fan bases on every continent, Everton do not. Liverpool have joined forces with Warrior company, based in Boston, to make their kit. They have connections with John Henry, the owner of Boston Red Sox, hence why they can garner so much money. All this doom and gloom spread by the Blue Union needs to stop. As I said, it is heart breaking to witness us cease to compete at the highest level, however, that is unfortunately the best we can hope for in our current state. Unless some Russian Oligarch comes in and spreads around the cash like its going out of business, then we will remain a mid table side. This is not the board's fault, it is down to us being a victim of circumstance. We are in the vicious circle of us needing to widen our fan base by being successful, and being unable to fund the success due to us not having a wide enough fan base to garner the necessary funds. I am sick to death of hearing that its Bill's fault etc that he is driving the club in to the ground. The BU make out that Bill is a money grabbing cowboy, in it to make a quick buck, when in actual fact he's made to be a scapegoat for the fact that our club isn't the successful side it was during the purple patch of the 80s. I'm not saying that what is happening is fine, I'm not even saying the board is faultless. What I am saying though, is that we need to stop being so divisive, we need to get behind the club and support the players no matter what. To try and prove to potential investors we are worth taking a chance on, rather than blaming the board and calling for their head, whilst offering no viable alternatives. Rant. Over.
Crobsy, Liverpool, 12:35 AM 22/01/2012
 
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Give it a rest eh lads, we dont need to hear your big uneducated illiterate gobs everytime the club makes a statement. Its really simple, official Everton news and statements...interesting. Media whores pretending to have the best interest of the club but on 1st opportunity decided to screw the club and tape the interview, then have the audacity to complain the club done communicate. This is the level of stupidity were dealing with from BU and they wonder why the majority think they are scum
Si C, Liverpool, 11:22 PM 21/01/2012
 
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If the comments posted are representative of the majority of fans views , then may God help because this current administration won't.
Bluenoseronnie, Londonderry, 7:44 PM 21/01/2012
 
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More talk from BU but yet again no productive action....same old same old. If you would like to speak about facts let us look at this one... I would make an estimate that 90% of Everton fans think that BU is full of crap.
Billy Bob Jones, USA, 3:31 PM 21/01/2012
 
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Anyone who cannot see what is happening to our club are fucking idiots , it pains me to see the support split like this. At least the BU are transparent unlike Kenwright and Elstone smoke and mirrors campaign.
Phil, Prescot, 1:14 PM 21/01/2012
 
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I'm slowly but surely starting to wake up to the 'mis-management' of my once fantastic football club ! BU appear to be doing their homework, they are not a group of dissatisfied supporters who turn up to chant "KENWRIGHT OUT" and go home. Every one of us can see the club deteriorating before our very eyes, we all know we desperately need investment, it's the lies and the covering up that really really worries me ! For those supporters who are happy to 'blindly' support OUR once great club and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to what is really happening, I suggest you make the most of a great manager and watching Premier League football at Goodison, NEITHER will be around for much longer !! Most of us moan about what is happening at Everton, at least Blue Union are investing time and energy into fighting for what they believe ! Good luck BU !!!
Gazzaroo, Woolton, 11:57 AM 21/01/2012
 
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I think the BU is wasting it time, we should just let the everton board carry on the way they are with no questions asked, selling all our on & off- field assets till we have nothing left to sell, let Davie walk & bring back Walter, then the likes of Blueboots, mark & co should be quite happy.
John H, Liverpool, 11:45 AM 21/01/2012
 
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BU out of your depth. looking for something that is just not there and are totally lost up your own backsides. Common sense tells us if you have an alternative to the current situation that is an improvement. I am more than sure ANY club would be willing to listen and if its a good idea then it will fly! ANYthing that makes ANY club more successful ANY sane mind would take on board and use that model. BUT you don't have the answer........... SO SHUT IT. How about doing a REAL protest by staying outside of Goodison for home games like REAL strike action? ..... part time protesters.
Lee, Rainhill, 11:40 AM 21/01/2012
 
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The blue union made up of same so called supporters who stood in the way of progress with the kirkby project protests only damage the name of our great club. Its not great at this moment every man jack of us know that but better the devil you know. Support is what the lads needs so lets make so noise today lift the gloom .coyb
Bob , Kirkby, 11:39 AM 21/01/2012
 
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BK why do you keep giving these clowns page space, leave it to NSNO (who's site I no longer use!!!!)? If we just ignore them they might do the decent thing (Unlikely!!!!) and ceawl back under the rock they came from.
Bristol Blue, Bristol, 11:36 AM 21/01/2012
 
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I don't give a shit what the bu think. They don't own the club and never will, just trouble causes making noise to suit themselves. Fuck them their clowns and cakes.
Ste Philips, Litherland, 11:26 AM 21/01/2012
 
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Fantastic, well done Blue Union, you've made me change my mind about you, I won't call you numpties any more. I gave up after a couple of paragraphs as you obviously have all the answers so when can we expect you to buy the club and solve all the problems everyone has known about for years?
Chris C, L18, 11:26 AM 21/01/2012
 
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Sadly BU behave bullyish and scally like. Can't take them seriously
Blue goat, Everton, 11:10 AM 21/01/2012
 
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I thought elstones blog was open to all fans why are the bu so arrogant as to think they need to "respond" to all reports by the club. Do they think the rest of us are too stupid to read and understand what's being written? You're right about one thing though it is OUR club so stop giving US a bad name.
Mark, Liverpool, 11:05 AM 21/01/2012
 
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blue union your on your own so why dont you just do one and go and support that other team across the park.you must know by the comments that you and your handful of so called fans are not wanted.
robbie gil, fazakerley, 10:48 AM 21/01/2012
 
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Proud today that BlueKipper have given this well thought out and well written article a place on it's site. Getting back to being a Fanzine is important - it's where your true roots lie. As for the comment by Blueboots, The Blue Union are represented before every home game outside St Luke's and at every away game. Why not meet them yourself and make your judgement from there?
Paul, City of Liverpool, 10:34 AM 21/01/2012
 
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...Ok, so whats the solution?
John, Formby, 10:27 AM 21/01/2012
 
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Blue Union just do one. Still not spoken to a single fan home or away that supports you.
Blueboots, St Helens, 10:22 AM 21/01/2012
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