OCT
22
2012
Trouble?
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During the Sheffield Wednesday V Leeds United match last Friday a Leeds fan ran on to the pitch and hit the Wednesday goal keeper in the face before scuttling back into the crowd to escape the consequences.

Afterwards, Dave Jones, Wednesday's manager, said Leeds fans should be banned from all away matches. Maybe that's the only thing people like that will understand. The problem is it is always the innocent fans who suffer. The guilty ones couldn't care less what damage they do or who gets hurt.

So here we go again. Remember the attack on Celtic manager Neil Lennon? Remember all the racist behaviour across Europe, including from a minority of our own fans? Remember the crowd riot at a West Ham V Millwall match? How many more of these 'incidents' will the game suffer before we find ourselves back with gang cowards and even murders in the name of football? How much more hate can we take, be it of clubs, of players or of anybody who makes a useful scapegoat?

Let's not kid ourselves it was ever completely eliminated from the game. It has always been there just below the surface. We all know there are lunatics who will always hate those they envy or victimise.

Next week is this season's first derby match. Is it too much to ask that we do away with the evil that now disfigures these fixtures? Given the report from the Independent Review Panel is it too much to hope we won't hear any of the sick "Murderers" and "Always the victim" vile songs? When some of our fans behave that way who are we to say we are better than anybody else? Forget Liverpool fans, they are responsible for themselves, just as we are for our own behaviour.

Or is the game about to return to the Bad Old Days of the 1970s and the 1980s?

 

 

 

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Even in Bootle, a supposed Everton stronghold, I was surrounded by shite at school (in the 70's....nuff said) and it gave me a stiff back and upper-lip. In general, I can't stand them, but my best mate's a red and he's not biased, so I can't take the piss with any real relish. All that said: anyone who blindly blames them for us not winning the European Cup, when clearly it was UEFA's fault and who can't shelve all rivalry and its trappings when it comes to Hillsboro, needs to be medicated forthwith. As many have said on this blog, some of us are from the same city (you CAN spot the odd one at analfield!) and we all had mates/family at that game and we ALL worried for them until we found out they were okay (those of us who were fortunate enough to do so.) The mate I mentioned was there and I remember being frantic and near in tears until I heard he was okay. Back in the 70s we sang "And do they smell? Like f....n 'ell; ooover there, ooover there!" THAT'S funny. Songs deriding the tragedy of H'bro are just plain wrong and spouted by gobshites. Even Utd apparently behaved in the recent game and that's how it should be. Carry it on. Abuse, but do it humorously-that's what we're good at.
Paul Newton, Bootle, 11:40 AM 24/10/2012
 
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You are different on Merseyside, because of what Chizzy said. There is still the banter between supporters, but that is healthy. The hatred though needs to be kicked into touch. Keep it clean, keep it friendly and keep it pleasant. I hope the game is a good clean and well played affair, and I hope we beat them 3-0.
Kiwi, NZ, 6:43 AM 23/10/2012
 
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Remember going to Leeds in the late 70s and early 80s - We got off the coach with all the casual gear on and wedged haircuts - straight into Leeds lads still wearing tank tops with Noddy Holder haircuts - haha, always a laugh, but we never won up there, not even against West Ham in the FA semi replay!
Holdo, Upper Bullens, 5:08 PM 22/10/2012
 
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According to the news a guy from Cheltenham just got 16 weeks banged up for it. Seems about 10 years too short to me. What the fuck someone from Cheltenham is doing supporting Leeds is a mystery.
Tony, Stoneycroft, 2:26 PM 22/10/2012
 
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Good article, totally agree we should be able to go the game, and not just the derby but all games, and have some banter without it turning nasty. I agree with LT also, hopefully recent events involving liverpool and the support we have shown them will set the tone for Sunday.
Tony Hibbert, Playing for the rezzies, 2:26 PM 22/10/2012
 
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Who from Liverpool doesn't have a family member, or close friend, who's a red? My Ma's a red (although, to be fair, she doesn't really "know her footy" -I suppose this could be said of them all!) and most of my really close mates are reds. I may harbour hopes that they get relegated, lose their best players, maybe even go bankrupt (tho I'm not absolutely sure of this -who would we mock then?!). I couldn't hate the fans without wishing those close to me ill. I hate derbys though!
Chizzy, Chatteris, 1:55 PM 22/10/2012
 
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Hatred needs to be stamped out, it has no place in the game. If you say you "Hate" the red shite then you need to have a word with yourself. Like to see them lose - fine. Wind them up in work - fine. Laugh at them when they go on marches etc - fine. Hate is far too strong though. We are all scousers at the end of the day, the rivalry between the clubs should be somthing to hold up to the rest of the Country as a shining example of how great this city is. Don't spoil it with fighting.
Dave, Upper Gwladys, 11:44 AM 22/10/2012
 
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We'll never be rid completely of hate in footie or any other sport. It's part of human nature. But we should all do our bit to identify these mad men and have them banned for life. Dave Jones has been quoted as saying 'It's up to the fans to sort out,' and he's right. Every now and then I meet some one who starts off by trying to tell me who he hates in the game. I always make sure he knows that isn't why I watch football and I don't need his company or sort of behaviour, you can always see and hear one of them in every pub spouting garbage and looking for attention. We can only hope to make these people as small as possible. When they get out of hand, lock them up until they've kicked drugs or learned to stay sober. Numpties and bullies the lot of them.
Spectator, Crosby, 10:52 AM 22/10/2012
 
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A very good post, and total respect to you for wanting to keep it a friendly Derby. Nobody in their right minds wants to go back to the "behavioral norms of the 1970"s.
Stuart, Wouldn't you like to know, 8:33 AM 22/10/2012
 
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Over the years, I have been blessed to see a few merseyside derbys. I have always thought that there was rarely problems of this nature at all. Certainly the stupidity of recent events is below the level of fans in the best derby in world football. For the record I am a Liverpool fan.
Greg, Sydney, 2:11 AM 22/10/2012
 
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After the support that Everton fans showed recently following the Hillsborough findings, singing in support of the 96 etc, then I'm hoping that this derby will see each set of fans respecting each other and enjoying the game. Unfortunately, there's always at least one idiot.
LT, Liverpool, 2:00 AM 22/10/2012
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